Thinking about dropping out of my online PhD.

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by SurfDoctor, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    I am in the process of recommending Aspen to 2 of our adjunct faculty who need to upgrade credentials.

  2. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    You are recommending a DETC degree to your adjunct faculty? Wow, tell me more!
  3. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    Was that a contribution?
  4. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    No, and it has been addressed.
  5. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    And what exactly is wrong with libertarian philosophy?
  6. Premiere

    Premiere member

  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    World Bank? The Fed? That's fine, since I didn't want to become part of the problem anyway. But if your goal is to impress those sorts of people, it sounds like you'll be right at home.

    They're not my leaders. Besides, if these guys were so smart, there wouldn't be so many jokes about how useless economics is as a predictive tool, or even for clear explanations of economic events after the fact.

    I wonder how many works from the Austrian school your hypothetical economists would actually have read before holding that opinion.

    If you're willing to draw conclusions about all of distance learning based on not liking one program, then there's no need to ban you -- you've already marginalized yourself.

  8. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    TUI has a fixed tuition cost of $25,300 excluding tuition during the dissertation phase which varies per individual student. Also, TUI has not expenditure for books, and best of all no outrageous fees.

    On the contrary, NCU's fixed tuition cost is $39,785 plus extra cost of books. As you can see, there is a significant difference in NCU's fix cost versus TUI's fix tuition cost.
    The only problem I see happening is let's say a student cannot finish their dissertation in at most two terms, which would add additional $4600 to the fixed tuition cost for a total of $29,900.

    Another point to note is that TUI's courses are 4 credits each, and that may be a disadvantage or an advantage depending how how one looks at it. Sadly, I know someone who left TUI to NCU after completing all her course work because she didn't know what she was doing during her dissertation and TUI kept pestering her to pay tuition that seemed unending for her
  9. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    NCU is gone from your sig line..........did you withdraw? I withdrew a couple of days ago. I think spending $40k on a degree that may not be fully recognized would be more than idiocy on my part. That cost is not much of an issue, I'd rather pay that to a real B & M schools so that I don't have to hide my degree depending on where I go. Nothing is wrong with an online degree, i think considering its limitations, that trade-off should make it cheap. I think thats what TUI is doing, charging a somewhat reasonable tuition for their program. Their's seem to be the cheapest RA DL business PhD (that is, if a student can complete their dissertation in 3 terms maximum time frame)

    So any ideas regarding an alternative program? what was your concentration at NCU (if you don't mind)
  10. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    Yea, I bailed. I was going for a PhD in Business Admin/Marketing. I have a background in marketing small businesses and it is an area of interest to me. I agree about the B&M idea, I wish I had the time to go in-person. I'll take a look at TUI. The ROI was the big issue for me so a cheaper deal for an RA degree at TUI might make sense. Especially since it is all out-of-pocket.

    I may go for a degree somewhere else or I may just concentrate my efforts on the next business I am currently starting. This latest venture is an advertising company that uses a few tech tricks to create a new niche for small advertisers. I'm pretty excited about it, so I'm not sure what I'll do for continuing school. I also teach full time at a Jr. high school.
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  11. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    By the way, since I'm too lazy to look, what do think a PhD from TUI would cost?
  12. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    TUI has a fixed tuition cost of $25,300 excluding tuition during the dissertation phase which varies per individual student.

    Look at my reply to Randell1234 which is post #108 above for more details.
  13. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    There you go! I think you made a good decision. I was seriously contemplating attending NCU and then, you posted this thread. I noticed NCU does not have any serious learning interface like Blackboard which doesn't quite make it an online learning school but rather, an institution for "independent learners" or a correspondence program. The good thing is that "independent learning" is flashing on their homepage.

    It seems you have a lot going, goodluck with your venture. I recently graduated with TUI's masters and looking to use it to teach online. Meanwhile, i'm also looking for a doctoral program in a related field. I read Sullivan University will be offering a PhD in management soon, that may be a viable option. I'm also looking at Nova Southeastern's Educational Specialist (Eds) program while pondering which other route to take. TUI's PhD may well be the best option after all. We'll see.....
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    At all online colleges and universities, electronic correspondence is used instead of residency requirements.
  15. SoldierInGA

    SoldierInGA New Member

    6 pages on a thread without a single contribution from The MC. He's gonna kick himself for going on vacation at such a crucial event in MO's life.
  16. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    That's funny. I was thinking the same thing. What he will really be upset about missing is the golden opportunity to give me some abuse! :)
  17. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    This is a ridiculous statement. Take a look at the faculty in the economics department at Cornell (I believe where you mentioned you'll be beginning in the Fall) and you will find most earned master's degrees at one institution before pursuing a PhD at another.
  18. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, you get the same thing for 10 to 15K less. By the way, I liked the NCU program. It's pretty independent, but it is highly structured and rigorous. The customer service there sucks, though.
  19. Premiere

    Premiere member

    Both parts of my statement were correct. No good Ph.D. programs in economics require master's degrees. In addition to that, the best candidates were stars as undergraduates in their respective departments at their respective universities. It's common for undergrads to take Ph.D. courses in order to stand out. A master's degree is a waste of time for the best prospective econ grad school applicants. Not ridiculous at all, if you ask me. If you're one of the best undergraduate economics students at MIT/Harvard/Princeton/Chicago are you really going to apply to master's degree programs?

    You may be right about Cornell. I wouldn't know; I haven't bothered to look at every professor's website.
  20. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    Since you mentioned the Fed earlier, you may be fond of this man: "He returned to college in 1945, attending New York University (NYU), where he received a B.S. in economics summa cum laude in 1948[3] and an M.A. in economics in 1950.[4] Greenspan went on to Columbia University, intending to pursue advanced economic studies, but subsequently dropped out. At Columbia, Greenspan studied economics under the tutelage of future Fed chairman Arthur Burns, who constantly warned of the dangers of inflation.[5]
    In 1977, NYU awarded him a Ph.D. in economics"

    Prior to Greenspan: "Volcker's undergraduate education was at Princeton University; he graduated in 1949. He earned his M.A. in political economy from Harvard University's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences and Graduate School of Public Administration in 1951 and then attended the London School of Economics from 1951 to 1952 as a Rotary Foundation Ambassadorial Fellow, under the Rotary's Ambassadorial Scholarships program."

    Bernanke went straight from Harvard to MIT for his Ph.D though.
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