Texas shooting suspect got assault weapon despite domestic violence conviction

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  1. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    In other words, more gun control laws would have done absolutely NOTHING to prevent this.

    Thank you for proving my point.
  2. jhp

    jhp Member

    So, like... Maryland's? Seems to work well! Oh, wait... never mind. /s

    You know when the local paper has a dedicated site for gun deaths you have a problem. Baltimore Homicides - baltimoresun.com
  3. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm just glad Hollywood is taking time off from raping each other to condemn prayer. This will surely help the left win back the middle class in fly-over America.

    Bravo half wits.
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    They're so consumed by their own hate and intolerance, they can't even see what's so obvious to everyone else.
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Flake has presented a bill to strengthen legislation on domestic violence offenders and guns. I think it has something to do with taking the guns they already have. I haven't read the summary of the bill.

    It's been proven that many of the guns in Illinois come from Indiana which has laxer gun laws. So, it is true that tougher gun laws at the state level do nothing when people can easily get guns in neighboring states.

    There is a problem with men in power sexually abusing and harassing men and women, and these men have been on the right and left. The Kentucky house speaker just resigned over sexual harassment allegations, and he's a Republican. Bill O'Reilly has his sexual harassment issues and so does Roger Ailes.

    Of course, if we had just prayed harder, these people would still be alive. We have a prayer problem in this country. Praying more is the solution to these mass shootings.
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  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You can't see what is so obvious. They don't have a problem with prayer. Only an idiot would think that. They have a problem with politicians doing nothing but sending their thoughts and prayers every time a white man shoots a bunch of people. If it had been a non-white person, there would have been talks about the National Guard and tougher laws and hardly any talk about mental illness. The nightclub shooter had signs of mental illness, but since he was of Middle Eastern descent, the focus was on Islamic terrorism.
  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Kelley was diagnosed with mental health disorders, hospitalized for mental health problems, and even escaped from a mental hospital.
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Perhaps you should, because people convicted of domestic violence (even accused) are already prohibited from possessing firearms.
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    So, you think I'm an idiot? Perhaps you should actually know what you're talking about before you start insulting people with whom you disagree.

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  10. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm more of a people can do what they want, like pray. I personally don't pray. I'm also agnostic, but I support people doing whatever makes them heal through a tragedy better. If that's prayer, then so be it. Your leftist friends attacked prayer, that's what my comment is in reply to.
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Many people view the annihilation of Christians (and other injustices in the world) as proof that there is no God and that prayer is fruitless. However, good things can come from bad events. For example, who could have foreseen that the demonic crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ would lead to salvific opportunities for humanity? His death and resurrection opened the door for many more to come. If the devil had known that fact, then he would not have arranged for the crucifixion of the Lord. Today, injustices still happen, but good things can come from them (Romans 8:28-39). It has been already been decreed that a day is coming when sin, sickness, destruction and death will be abolished, but that future event has not been implemented -- yet. It will be, albeit not in our [average] lifetime.
  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    There is no UCMJ code for DV (yet)

    Mystery solved:

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) does not have a specific code (or statute) for domestic violence/battery/assault. The UCMJ code is only for general violence -- and not for domestic violence (DV). That means that statutorily, the military is not required to enter conviction's for general battery/assault into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC).

    There is now a proposal to create a new UCMJ code for DV, which would make it statutorily manditory for the military to enter all future UCMJ DV convictions into the NCIC. At this juncture, the military did not break any rules e.g. it was just a loophole because UCMJ DV convictions don't exist (as of 11.9.17). That will change in the near future.
  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Yet Kelley was bounced from the AF for it, no?
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    A dishonorable discharge is not uploaded into the NCIC.

    Someone with experience can clarify the following: Court martial convictions can be entered into the NCIC, but historically have not been entered. That may change.

    Here is an interesting unsubstantiated story. A fellow said he was convicted for misdemeanor battery in a UCMJ court marshal (after he punched his lieutenant). He was reduced in rank from E-6 down to E-4 and was allegedly in the stockade for 12 months. Upon his release from the stockade as an E-4, he stayed in the military and eventually required his E-6 rank (by going through the standard promotional process). He eventually retired after 20 years at the rank of E-6 and he said:
    - His DD214 says honorable discharge and does not list his conviction (?).
    - His court martial is not listed in the NCIC (?).

    All of the above is what he said and is not verified.
  15. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm calling bullshit on the story you were told, and you should too. The only caveat on this depends on when these "events" happened. In what era, 70's-80's etc, did the guy telling the story serve? And what branch?
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    You might be right.

    Every coin has two sides.

    It reportedly occurred in the U.S. Army (Combat Arms) during a deployment to the Middle East while in active-combat conditions (bullets allegedly flying). The fellow said that during combat (under fire), the lieutenant was allegedly confused, angry, cursive and was giving bad orders (all at the same time). The lieutenant allegedly got in the E-6's face and cursed at him and insulted him -- so he said he punched the lieutenant in his face. That was the fellow's story, but there are two sides to every story -- and the other side of the story is unknown.

    He also said he has disability pay for loss of hearing, on top of his military retirement - coming out to a total of $4200 monthly ($2600 for hearing loss). That would put his retirement pay at about $1600 monthly. That could be verified or refuted by using online retirement pay charts.
  17. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I'm a disabled vet, and as luck would have it also have hearing loss as a condition. I was a machinegunner, in particular a heavy machinegunner, so I was on a hearing conservation program the whole time I was in the Corps. I was awarded 10% disability for hearing loss and get free hearing aids from the VA. Nobody gets $2600 for hearing from the VA. Even if your ears were blown off, you would not get that much. In order to get both his disability pay and his retirement pay together and in their full amounts he would have to have a disability rating above 50%. If he's getting $2600, then he is way over 50% disabled and there would be other disabilities than "hearing" to get him to that percentage. Is he married, and how many kids does he have? $2600 from the VA is an odd amount. The closest someone could come to getting that amount would be if the veteran is at 100% disable, he would get $2,915.55. It goes up if you have a spouse and children. Married with kids (probably need at least five children) and being 90% disabled would net close to but not at $2,600 per month. You should ask him what other disabilities he "is rated for". I'm not saying he's not getting that money, but it doesn't add up too cleanly.

    That's the VA portion out of the way.

    Retired pay. What year is he saying he retired? $1,600 is low for a 20 year vet who was an E6. He should be getting more than that. His story doesn't add up in other ways either.

    Questions I would ask;

    1. Which "stockade" was he at?
    2. You would want to find out the years of the claimed events. See if the math adds up.

    Also, let me add that as a military vet I don't really care if someone is claiming something different about their service. Even if they lie a bit about what happened. I'm not that invested in outing military liars. But, I do get genuinely curious about the stories people tell. I like to look closely at the stories and try to decode them. Not really for gotcha's or anything like that. It's just personal interest.

    I think this guy is a liar. Just a hunch, I could be wrong. But I doubt it.
  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    03310151, those are excellent observations. Last week, a conversation was initiated with him, while waiting for a car to be serviced. He sells new cars at a Honda dealership. He remains a perfect stranger, at least until it's time for another oil change.
  19. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    No worries, I wouldn't make a big deal about it.
  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Currently, the military is not required under law to report misdemeanor convictions of domestic violence to NCIC. Flake and Heinrich's bill aims to close that loophole.

    Jeff Flake, Martin Heinrich to introduce bill to close gun loophole - CNNPolitics

    You just further proved my point. The backlash isn't against prayers. It's against thinking that prayer is going to solve the problem. Politicians offer their thoughts and prayers and don't take action. We pray and people get shot up again. If you don't get that criticism by now, then you probably never will.

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