So what's better????..........

Sounds like a disclosure statement might be in order here . . . Specifically, Learning Addict, do you have any NA degrees and, if so, from where and in what field(s)?

 

That is just another appeal to authority. That's not enough. Besides, the fact that these schools survive based on the money they bring in, it would stand to reason that allowing credits from outside their network only lessens their ability to do so, so that's a pretty big incentive to find reasons to reject. And let's be real here, it's not like these RA schools have done any kind of evaluation of the NA schools they reject, it's not what they do. Instead they've made a blanket policy, and that alone weakens the concept because so-called experts and pros would/should be intelligent enough to understand the rationale that every school should be judged individually since quality can vary from school to school.

How true? Since there hasn't been any significant research in a long time on how many RA schools reject/accept NA credits that's only speculation now.

Another appeal to authority.

The people who are in a position to make these rejections (registrars) are trained to find equivalence between their school's courses and those from the outside transferring in, but that's not the same thing as evaluating the validity of the school or program the credits are coming from which the RA schools don't do in any deliberate way. Certainly, there are NA schools that are well known to be bad and some decisions can be made based on that, but there are also also RA schools that are known to be bad, yet the RA credits get accepted but the NA credits may not based solely on a blanket policy. That makes the evaluation process questionable if not malfunctioning since the denials should be based on the quality of the school/program the credits are coming from, not blanketly by accreditation type.

 

My first degree was an RA degree in Computer Science. I have one degree in Psychology from Ashworth (I've never hid or had any reason to hide that and have discussed it and the program a number of times here), my other two are RA degrees, one in Behavioral Neuroscience and another in Business Administration.

 

A-ha! Ah... hah!!! I figured that you had at least one NA degree in there somewhere. (I also notice that you answered my very specific question in the abstract - I asked about specific degrees and their sources, and you did not name the institutions from which you graduated or the level of the degrees. Typical cop-out.)

Nothing personal, but you come off as a typical apologist for NA degrees. It's only us purists who haven't polluted ourselves with NA degrees that don't feel the need to defend non-RA degrees. Yep, it's RA or the highway all the way.

I think Kizmet got it right when she said that many RA schools simply won't accept NA course credits. Period. Period. I remember that being the case when I was in TESC, when their policy was "RA only." (I imagine it still is, but haven't checked recently.)

Don't get me wrong - I have nothing intrinsically against NA degrees. But these days, NA schools presume to grant doctorate degrees in professional and clinical fields, and IMO they are trash. Moreover, those who have them will always feel compelled to defend their degrees against pompous asses like me. Always. Just like you're defending NA degrees here. Not to complain - I find it quite entertaining.

 

LearningAddict,

I guess the issue for me is that we have a plethora of RA universities...why choose a NA university? I will be 100% honest and say I have not looked at the admissions requirements for NA masters or doctoral programs but I’d be willing to assume they are relatively lax in what they require and the quality of students that come out of their institutions.

Like Kizmet and Steve have stated, until someone shows me that NA institutions are on the same playing ground as RA institutions, I will only pursue an education with RA schools. Not just that, but let’s be honest, if you live in Oklahoma where I do, people are going to inherently know the University of Oklahoma. I would not have to try to justify my education institution choice.

 

SIGH.

Your laughter means nothing, especially when it's an expected routine that you've worn out a long time ago. You need new material.

You asked me where I got the NA degree and I told you, you didn't ask me where I got the other RA degrees, now you're reaching for an issue that isn't even there. Typical of you and your shtick, smh.

You come off as a typical hater, and honestly that's an understatement. You really are a horrible, unlikable person overall and I base that on post after post after post where you put in a very strong effort to demonstrate how terrible of a human being you are but then attempt to put it under some kind of "it's just a big joke" disguise so people will somehow excuse it. I don't understand why this site continues to allow you to be here, entertaining your antagonizing, teasing, bullying posts that add zero value. I mean, you've even said a number of times that you think online education as a whole is a joke, so why even be here at all other than to do your disrespect routines?

The thing that get me is, you attended Union Institute & University which during the time you went was a complete laughingstock at both the administrative and academic levels in ways that would make some ASIC schools have a good belly laugh, this is well-known, and still today the school is not considered anything noteworthy. You can pretend not to be aware of that, but you know it's the truth. Even now it still shows up on quack watch lists, sometimes because of Gary Null, sometimes because its academic rigor is still made fun of. Unlike you, I will be fair and state that putting it on such a list is a stretch, but the fact it makes it says a lot. You should feel lots of need to defend that, but if you don't good for you.

I haven't "defended" anything here, your viewpoint of "defending" is manufactured nonsense based on the strong bias you hold. If someone brings up a point that should be challenged, it should be challenged, it doesn't matter what it's about. Over the years here, I've challenged many points that had nothing to do with NA or any specific NA school, I've also discouraged people in certain situations from choosing an NA school not because I think there is anything wrong with such a school but because in some fields there have been roadblocks that were set up a long time ago that can prevent a person from doing what they seek to do to it fullest, and even many of those roadblocks have disappeared over the years. Times change.

Here, I challenged a notion that's not backed by any current thorough examination, but there is no winning with you everyone knows that. You intend to be petty, childish and bullying in everything you respond to and you remain consistent with that. That's who you are. You want people to feel bad about a legitimate college degree they earned?--which is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen--and it's really sad, but try that with someone else (or, better yet, grow up and stop trying it), doesn't work with me.

You "remember", and that was a long time ago which proves the point I've made. Times change, so at the moment any "period, Period" conclusions are based on past information, not present fact.

And you (and we all) KNOW that's a lie, lol. Although I don't think you mean it as a lie. I think in your mind you actually do believe that you have nothing against NA accreditation/schools, lol. There is a part of you with poor impulse control and a part of you that's oblivious to it and its impact. However, we all can see that you have an obvious bias against all things NA, that's not even debatable at this point. The minute an NA school/accreditor/situation is brought up you start your routine. You can't help yourself.

Well, organizations such as ABET, CCNE, NAADAC and a host of other well-respected organizations don't agree with you. Besides, I'm sure they have done a thorough examination of the institutions they've attached themselves to and didn't find them to be "trash".

See, that's the fatal flaw in all of this nonsense you spew. Levicoff, listen to me: no one feels compelled to defend anything. That is a figment of your imagination. YOU want so badly for people to feel ashamed about something that carries no shame at all that YOU'VE constructed this fantasy in YOUR mind that NA degree holders are hiding in the shadows in some kind of shame, lol. This is something you DESIRE them to do, but they really don't. No one feels bad about obtaining a legitimate college degree, lol. If anything, they may feel surprised that some weirdo out here has an issue with such a thing and it may make them challenge it out of that surprise, but this notion that people feel bad and have to "defend" it is something concocted entirely in your own mind and you are CONVINCED of that thing. Convicted by it, there is no doubt about that one.

Anyway, no more on this with you. Not worth any more of my time.

 

A program an RA school doesn't offer. Sometimes a cheaper price, a more convenient term/schedule to get to the exact same goal under the same programmatic accreditation.

Most RA schools today are lax on their requirements and certainly since the dawn of the online learning age. How else are all of these people going to school? Think about it. The RA sector is not an association/network of schools with Harvard-like standards. Far from it. In reality, NA and RA are more alike in this regard than they are dissimilar. But, perception has made you think otherwise and that has been a large part of my point.

And how would that be done? Without being able to answer that question you understand then that your entire position remains influenced based purely on perception and nothing more.

And then if you moved to New York there are people who may not take your University of Oklahoma degree as seriously as they would an NYU or Cornell or any number of colleges in New York and the tri-state area considered academically superior to the University of Oklahoma. And then it's up to you how you should feel about it. I have never for a second had any need to justify any degree I've ever earned because there is no reason to have to justify an earned college degree. This is almost always a nonsensical concept that people who want to feel embiggened by putting others down have crafted.