Schools claiming bogus accreditation, then receiving legit accreditation

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  1. TomICAVols

    TomICAVols New Member

    Claiming a bogus accreditation is not good. But later, when a school becomes accredited by an agency that is legitimate, does that atone for the prior sin? This is an issue that has faced RA schools as well.

    Both RA and NA schools have claimed bogus accreditation and then received legitimate accreditation. Some schools accurately claimed no accreditation and then received received legitimate RA or Natl. accreditation.

    Does claiming phoney or unrecognized accreditation taint a school forever, even if they earn legit RA or NA accreditation at a later time?
     
  2. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    CONFESS your faults one to another that you may be healed. Jas 5:16.
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    What does physical illness (astheneo) have to do with a school's claiming a bogus accreditation?
     
  4. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    I think I see a principle:

    CONFESS--be healed-Jas 5:16
    CONFESS- be forgiven-Mt.3:6
    CONFESS-be cleansed-1 Jo 1:9
    CONFESS-be saved-Rom 10:9

    Now if you see no application of this to Christian schools that sin by telling lies about accreditation or rigor, then that's ok.

    I do.
     
  5. philosophy

    philosophy New Member

    reply

    I'll give you a reply. Yes, I do think that it does. I'll not mention the schools that would fall under this category, but even when they receive proper accreditation, the fact that they did promote a phony accreditation, will ultimately affect them for a long period of time. That's why it's best for a school to claim no accreditation, rather than to put down phony accreditation. Time can probably change the image, but it will take sometime for that tarnished image to get resolved.
     
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  6. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    What was then called American Institute of Computer Science claimed its worthless WAUC accreditation until the day DETC accredited them. Columbia Southern likewise. California Coast resigned its unrecognized accreditation quite a few years before they got their DETC blessing. I suspect we may never know if DETC considers this sort of thing at all, but it is not enough to prevent their accreditation, or if they feel it is irrelevant.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    No problem with your additional verses. Had you listed all these in the beginning I would not have inquired. Thanks for replying.
     
  8. RXI

    RXI New Member

    TomICAVols uses three different words when asking about accreditation in his question. Bogus, Phoney, and Unrecognized.
    Though the answer is the same there are some differences in the termonolgy.

    The National Association of Private, Nontraditional Schools and Colleges or NAPNSC is unrecognized but a ligitimate organization.
    This is the accreditation that California Coast University used for a time. Regarding NAPNSC...

    "A serious effort to establish an accrediting agency specifically concerned with alternative schools and programs..." Bears Guide, 15th edition. p 57.

    Most all other agencies would be considered Bogus or Phoney.

    An interesting question TomICAVols!

    RXI
     
  9. RXI

    RXI New Member

    correction

    Most all other 'unaccredited' agencies would be considered Bogus or Phoney.

    RXI
     
  10. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Bill G:
    CONFESS--be healed-Jas 5:16
    CONFESS- be forgiven-Mt.3:6
    CONFESS-be cleansed-1 Jo 1:9
    CONFESS-be saved-Rom 10:9

    John B:
    CONFESS-be imprisoned-James Kirk 8:96
     
  11. oscar

    oscar New Member

    Trouble Accessing CCU website

    As a CCU student with username and password, I'm having trouble accessing the new student center on their website. If there are CCU students online, are you having the same problem?

    Thanks

    Oscar
     
  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Thanks John Bear, I needed that!
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman New Member

    I have heard of schools that used the fake accreditation deception and then got DETC accreditation. I have not heard of any RA schools that at one time practised this little fraudulent trick.
     
  14. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Bill H: I have not heard of any RA schools that at one time practised this little fraudulent trick.

    John B: I can't think of one off hand. But when I visited the then-unaccredited Northcentral University early in 2000, I was surprised to find that the 'campus' depicted in their literature was in fact a mini-mall in which they were just one small tenant -- but the other tenant signs had been removed by the artist to make it look as if they had the entire space.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Active Member

    Well there is no monolopy on the accreditation.

    What we call bogus may be simply unrecognized self accrediting web site or office with web site.

    As long as they don't misrepresent their claims.

    Is WASC braking any laws, why the Feds didn't shot them down?

    Is NACHE - bla bla bla elegal ?

    So what is bogus in our opinion may not be bogus in the legal
    point of view.

    But yes I think ACCS - now under new name is still paying the price. They did make the changes and cleaned their act.

    What used to be 3 semester BSCS degree ( compared to real school) is DETC standard accredited program.

    The students don'y get wortless degree so it's a good thing.

    Students of CCU will have better recognition and their degrees will take them farther.
     
  16. TomICAVols

    TomICAVols New Member

    I don't know if I'd call this "fake", but Trinity Seminary (near Evansville, IN) has claimed accreditation from everything except my mother, and they are now in RA candidacy. Luther Rice Seminary may have been in the same boat at one time before they became TRACS accredited. I emphasize "may" because my memory may be failing me and I don't want to insult some of the good graduates LRS has produced.
     
  17. TomICAVols

    TomICAVols New Member

    I agree, which is why I'm puzzled by Trinity Seminary. (see above).
     
  18. TomICAVols

    TomICAVols New Member

    I think you've touched on something critical here. I'm not arguing the legality, but the ethics of it all.
     
  19. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
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  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman New Member

    Possibly legal and fraudulent are not necessarily contradictory. I'm not a lawyer and do not have that type of appreciation for these issues. I do know though that just because someone has been getting away with something it does not mean that it is legal. I would guess that the majority of both white collar and blue collar crimes go unpunished and that the percentage of unpunished white collar crimes is much higher.
     

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