Sarah Palin -- Would you vote for her?

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Would you for for Sarah Palin for President of the United States?

  1. Hell no!

    35 vote(s)
    52.2%
  2. No, probably not.

    9 vote(s)
    13.4%
  3. Maybe.

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  4. Yes, probably.

    7 vote(s)
    10.4%
  5. Hell yes!

    7 vote(s)
    10.4%
  6. Not a US citizen, I don't vote, abstain, other, etc.

    3 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    How about Levi Johnston, who's reportedly running for Mayor of Wasilla? :eek:mfg:

    -=Steve=-
     
  2. james_lankford

    james_lankford New Member

  3. Ike

    Ike New Member

    I am not a resident of Wasilla. However, Wasilla is a very small city. If Sarah was able to govern the city, Johnston can also do it.
     
  4. Bruboy

    Bruboy New Member

    From what I've seen from the last election anyone can be elected with the correct marketing team and technology savy people behind them. That coupled with a good degree of charisma, the abilty to passionately deliver a speech, and the proper economic environment can give anyone the potential to get elected. This combination is what got Obama elected and will play a big part in who will be elected next.

    Here's a quote from answers.com about another person that could deliver a great speech. Any similarities?

    "Following the First World War, Germany suffered from a huge economic depression during the 20s. Hitler was an outspoken politician, with links to many extreme nationalist parties. While right-wing himself, he knew how to capture the imagination of a wide cross-section of the voters, and did this primarily by playing on their nationalistic beliefs. Hitler was a young figure in German politics, unconventional, different, dynamic, and he promised a prouder future for Germans than the old generals could."

    The next person that I vote for will have at some point in his/her career have signed the front of a payroll check, not just the back of one. Everyone should know by now that perception is not always reality. To many Obama looked like the savior and turned out to fall way short of expectations. Whose to say that the perception created of Sarah Palin by the media would not also be the opposite of what she really is?

    Once Obama said that another woman in politics had no foreign policy experience and he made her Secretary of State.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not a leftist, I don't like Obama's policies, and I think his administration's decisions have been very short-sighted and that we'll see the negative consequences for a long time. But seriously, man, Hitler? Give me a break. I mean, think about the people in the middle who might be persuaded by a message that presents sensible alternatives to Obama's positions. Do you think that they'll be impressed by that sort of rhetoric and will think they should keep listening to you? Or are you just shooting your own cause in the foot by sounding like you can't tell the difference between a bloodthirsty totalitarian and a bumbler who can't even keep his own party in the majority in Congress?

    -=Steve=-
     
  6. Bruboy

    Bruboy New Member

    The intent is not to say that Obama is in anyway like Hitler, I'm simply saying that IMHO if the conditions are right then a person with the proper tools can achieve leadership. I'm also saying the person that you see before he/she achieves a position of leadership is not necessarily what you end up with.
     
  7. bweston

    bweston New Member

    Not even if I were on fire and she was holding the last bucket of water on earth.
     
  8. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    @ Bruboy: I don't believe Obama's economic policy or the economic climate is what really got him elected--they may have been the issue to the general public but not the movers and shakers of that particular election. It was his social policy and international policy that really drove the independent and youth vote. His stance on decriminalizing marijuana, further integration of gays in the military, health care, and a generally anti-war sentiment. The last two may have vast economic repercussions, but what many fail to see is that for many voters economic issues are not on the front burner.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Let's take these in order:

    1. He has said he's not in favor of decriminalization of marijuana.

    2. His administration is appealing the court order that would have stopped Don't Ask Don't Tell.

    3. His health care bill is little more than a huge subsidy for insurance companies.

    4. He's expanded both the wars he inherited, in particular, he promised to close Gitmo, and not only didn't he do that, he's expanded Bagram.

    The Obama presidency is scarcely distinguishable from being Bush's third term. With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans?

    -=Steve=-
     
  10. Haggai12

    Haggai12 Member

    I like Sarah, but would much rather vote for someone with a strong admin/mgmt background [2 years as Governor and then resign?].

    Lack of managerial experience is one of the reasons I did not vote for Obama.
     
  11. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    I absolutely think he betrayed the youth and independent voters.
    Here is a statement he made:
    "I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama told an audience during a debate at Northwestern University in 2004. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."
    So while not completely legal or condoned it would be decriminalized, at least that used to be his position. His later statements are much more negative, but that was his stance during much of the campaign. I never said that he would make it legal, but I keep hearing this "decriminalize" word thrown around and I suspect it's better policy than currently active law.

    Mr. Obama also promised to allow gays to serve openly during his campaign, this new action of his is probably political pandering at its finest.

    I have to simply disagree with you about the health care law (which I oppose). Although it concedes a great deal to insurance companies I do not believe it is superior for them compared to the current system.

    As for gitmo, another broken promise. Clearly Obama became president and is now playing politics like any other--which constitutes yet another broken promise.
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    So I guess I should be clearer, I'm not saying voting for the man was a good idea, I'm just saying that based on his campaign promises it's clear why the youth and independent vote turned out so strongly. I sincerely doubt that the response will be half as strong next go-around. He did his best with health-care to please his base, but much of his social policy during the campaign has been recanted, and I for one can't figure out why! It's the only reason I considered voting for him.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I say that because it requires that millions of families who have not bought insurance now do so. That means a lot of new business they wouldn't have had otherwise, and that's a subsidy. If I recall correctly, there are provisions to help the poor meet this new expense, but that money still ends up as a lot of new revenue for those corporations.

    Anyway, I agree that young people turned out for him in 2008 because of these soon-to-be-broken promises. The 2010 elections shows the result, since so many of them were disillusioned and didn't return to the polls. I doubt they will in 2012 either.

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. rickyjo

    rickyjo New Member

    Ah, Steve, you're absolutely right about that one. A stupid and horrible rule! I can't believe that people who cannot afford insurance will be substantially fined on their taxes. What an outrage! Anyway, I guess that in the end we pretty much agree as usual.
     
  14. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    It will be interesting to see how much of the "Obama" health bill will be deleted under a republican controlled congress and presidency. Many of the provisions are popular. I just got a letter about my health insurance updating provisions that I no longer have a lifetime limit (It was &1,000,000) and the plan will pay for adult children up to age 26 (it was 18 unless they were in college and under 23). My bet: they will give it a new name and change a few requirements.

    When I helped manage a 15 person aerospace company one of our major costs was employee health care costs (over $10,000 per employee in 1986). The company could not afford that amount and dropped employee coverage. That's when I switched to working for a large aerospace company.

    Incidentally I have had USA taxpayer funded healthcare for many decades since I have always worked on US government contracts.
     

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