Russian warships conduct Atlantic drills en route to Cuba. New hypersonic missiles are on board

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Russian warships conduct Atlantic drills en route to Cuba. New hypersonic missiles are on board

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-warships-conduct-atlantic-drills-155638814.html

"Russian warships conducted drills in the Atlantic, the military said Tuesday, as they were heading to visit Cuba, part of Moscow's efforts to project power amid the tensions with the West over Ukraine.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the Kazan nuclear-powered submarine conducted the exercise that was intended to simulate a missile strike on a group of enemy ships."

 

U.S. deploys warships as Russian fleet makes close pass to Florida in approach to Cuba
Michael Wilner, Nora Gámez Torres
Tue, June 11, 2024 at 3:34 PM PDT


https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-deploys-warships-russian-fleet-223456919.html


The U.S. Navy has deployed warships and aircraft to track a Russian naval flotilla after the Russian vessels sailed less than 30 miles off South Florida’s coast on Tuesday, U.S. officials told McClatchy and the Miami Herald.

Last week, Moscow sent three ships and a nuclear-powered submarine to the Caribbean for what U.S. officials say will be a set of extensive military air and naval exercises — the first of their kind in at least five years.

 

Yes,

I bet sailors can wait to get to Havana, to have some fun.
Still rather they didn't bring their missiles with them, even if large portion may be unusable, still poses a thereat.
And possibly if they place missiles in Cuba, I'm not sure the current administration will do anything to prevent this from happening.
They are trying to influence the politics of providing support to Ukraine, and Putin is delivering on his saying that they will supply weapons against the west.

 

I wish, the admin project more power and determination.
War in Ukraine was partly because Putins perception of current admin that is weak.
Be it the escape from Afganistan and weak policies, response to N Kora, Iran etc.

 

All I mentioned is that the administration is projecting weakness. Its constructive criticism.

Not sure why you brought Trump in this, but I think under his administration the war in Ukraine would have never happened.
And I think leaving Afghanistan would have been more orderly with less negative effects. (The perception that was projected to Russia, and Islamists - US is running with tail between legs)
N.K they would still exchange the love letters with Kim do
Israel would already be victorious in Gaza.

I may not like what he said, and strongly object to what happened with 2020 elections, that lead to Jan 6th, but I liked what he did when he was the President, his first 3 year.

 

How the witdrawal form Afganistan would have been done by Trump admin is unknown, its my opinion that it would have been done in orderly mater.

I still think, there wouldn't be a war in Ukraine. Putin attacked Ukraine when he sensed weakness from US and the West. And the withdrawls from Afganistan is part of it.

What stopped the current administration from allowing Ukraine to use Western weapons against Russian targets in Russia earlier in the war?
As I said earlier int he posts, I like Presiden Biden, Its just my opinion from what I read, hear on other international media how they precive the administration.

 

Total nonsense! If Trump was in power Putin would have far more likely attacked Ukraine. Then Trump would have refused to support Ukraine and let Putin take Ukraine. These are the simple conclusions based on history of what Trump has said about Putin and the war in Ukraine.

 

Bill,
Putin had 4 years of Trump administration, if your logic is correct, then it would have been easy job?
Putin attacked Ukraine twice, once during Obama admin, and again much severely during current admin.
Ask why?

CNN opinion article form 2022

After all, Trump seemed an eager ally in Putin’s project to Make Russia Great Again, going out of his way to cozy up to Putin and also to undercut the NATO alliance, the undermining of which has long been a goal of Putin’s.

Perhaps, because for all of Trump’s personal coziness with Putin, his administration took a somewhat tough approach with Russia.
In 2018, the Trump administration approved the sale of some $40 million of lethal weaponry to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine. The same year the Trump administration also expelled 60 Russian diplomats from the United States after the Russians had allegedly tried to assassinate a former Russian spy living in the United Kingdom using a nerve agent.

So, this leads us to a second question: To what extent did the Biden administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan in August inform Putin’s decision-making on Ukraine?

Surely, Biden’s decision to abandon Afghanistan showed a United States in retreat, leaving its allies in the elected Afghan government to the tender mercies of the Taliban, while irritating America’s NATO partners who were also forced to pull out of Afghanistan as a result of the US withdrawal, since American forces provided much of the air power and intelligence that allowed allied forces to function in Afghanistan.

Chinese state-run media noted that the US abandonment of Afghanistan held lessons for the fate of Taiwan; that the US was both a fair-weather friend when it came to its allies and also a paper tiger. “The fall of Kabul marks the collapse of the international image and credibility of the US,” opined Xinhua, China’s state news agency.

In early November, a little over two months after the debacle of the total US pullout from Afghanistan, Putin started moving a sizeable Russian army of 90,000 troops towards the Ukrainian border, according to the Ukrainian Defense Ministry.

As to Aganistan,
The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.
Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”
Biden and his predecessor, Donald Trump, were both eager to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and end what Biden referred to in his Aug. 16 speech as “America’s longest war.”.

 

Regarding expelling 60 Russian diplomats. Trump was very upset with his advisors over that.

Donald Trump ‘felt misled over expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats for Salisbury attack’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/16/donald-trump-felt-misled-expulsion-60-russian-diplomats-salisbury/

Regarding Afghanistan withdrawal
U.S. review of chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal blames Trump
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-review-of-chaotic-afghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump

Watch Trump in Helsinki to get a good idea how under Putin's thumb Trump is. Trump has basically said that if he becomes President he could end the war in Ukraine in one day by basically giving Russia all the land that they currently claim which Trump thinks would end the fighting.

 

The White House made the announcement in a statement early Monday morning:

"Today President Donald J. Trump ordered the expulsion of dozens of Russian intelligence officers from the United States and the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle due to its proximity to one of our submarine bases and Boeing. The United States takes this action in conjunction with our NATO allies and partners around the world in response to Russia's use of a military-grade chemical weapon on the soil of the United Kingdom, the latest in its ongoing pattern of destabilizing activities around the world. Today's actions make the United States safer by reducing Russia's ability to spy on Americans and to conduct covert operations that threaten America's national security. With these steps, the United States and our allies and partners make clear to Russia that its actions have consequences. The United States stands ready to cooperate to build a better relationship with Russia, but this can only happen with a change in the Russian government's behavior."

 

Putin had 4 years, and he didn't dare to attack.
He attacked a few months after the escape from Afghanistan.
Even if I was a devoted Democrat, I would be critical of the current administration on these issues.

Any way, he is making move here in Cuba. And Chinese made some move in Venezuela.
It's not good,

 

All US presidents tried to play ball with Putin, all tried the friendly approach, Bush, Obama first term, Trump.
If the story is truthful, he was furious about the # 60 because EU countries expelled less.

I don't understand your logic, if Trump is under Putin thumb, a story Dems pushed all the 4 yeas of Trump presidency,
then you need to answer why Putin didn't attack Ukraine then?
It would have been easy, walk in the park.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-says-no-u-worry-115646389.html

On warships in Cuba, Russia says West is deaf to Moscow's diplomatic signals

MOSCOW/HAVANA (Reuters) - Russia said on Thursday that the United States should not be nervous about Russian warships in Cuba but that the West appeared deaf to any diplomatic signals from Moscow and only took notice when the army or navy took action.

A Russian navy frigate and a nuclear-powered submarine churned into Havana harbour on Wednesday, a stopover the U.S. and Cuba said posed no threat but which was widely seen as a Russian show of force as tensions rise over the Ukraine war.


White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said there was no evidence of Russia transferring any missiles to Cuba, but that the U.S. would remain vigilant.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/close-u-warships-cuban-coast-161202500.html

U.S. attack sub arrives at Navy base in Cuba a day after Russian fleet docks in Havana
Michael Wilner, Nora Gámez Torres
Thu, June 13, 2024 at 9:12 AM PDT·3 min read

A U.S. fast-attack nuclear-powered submarine arrived at Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, on Thursday, a day after a Russian navy fleet that also included a modern submarine pulled into the port of Havana ahead of Russian military exercises in the Caribbean that are raising tensions in the region.

The U.S. Southern Command, based in Doral, said in a statement that the USS Helena was in Guantanamo Bay, in eastern Cuba, where the U.S. has a base, as part of a “routine port visit.” The Southern Command noted that “the vessel’s location and transit were previously planned.”

 

No, Trump was upset because he thought he got bad advice from his advisors. He thought he expelled far too many.

Watch the Helsinki press conference it was obvious that Putin had Trump under his thumb. Putin didn't attack Ukraine earlier simply because he hadn't decided to attack Ukraine yet.

https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/the-absurdity-of-the-trump-putin-summit-in-helsinki

 

Although I do admit that my guess at what Putin was thinking in this case doesn't have much more supporting it than Lerner's guess. The difference being that I know that they are both guesses.