Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons USA

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by galanga, Apr 30, 2004.

  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    Does anybody know anything about the Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons USA?

    There is an application to join RCPS, available at, which gives this address at the top of the form:

    485 Allard Road
    Grosse Pointe, MI 48236-2811
    Phone: (313) 882-0641; Fax: (313) 882-0979.

    Other organizations using the same address and phone numbers are these:


    Related sites involve "The Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons of the United States of America in collaboration with American International University" with URLs and These two sites offer various advanced degrees to physicians; a PhD costs $10,000. The site explains that
    On the RCPS site at it is explained that
    The site also quotes James Frey, in spite of efforts to his efforts to have quotes like this removed from the web.

    The sites' webmistress is "Diane Marie Anger" who has also created these sites:

    * American Academy of Minimally Invasive Spinal Medicine and Surgery,
    * Minimally Invasive Spine Update,
    * International Society for Minimal Intervention in Spinal Surgery,
    * Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of the United States of America,
    * The Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons of the United States of America in collaboration with American International University, and

    What gives? Liberian PhDs via distance learning for already-licensed MDs? Is this attractive to a physician who is looking to become the director of a hospital?

    I can't seem to find a web page for the American International University that is being refenced by this "program."

  2. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    If they were UK based then it would not be legal to use the term 'Royal' in their name without permission from the Privy Council and the Secretary of State fro Trade and Industry.
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Maybe this is the professional society that admitted Neil Hayes on the basis of his Knightsbridge degree? Naw.....:D
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Load of Crap

    Since we have no royalty in the USA, and never had I hold the opinion that this is a load of crap.
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    If KKA were around, he could join with me in a good laugh at one more weird piece of Grosse Pointe Anglomania. The "Pointes" are wealthy eastern suburbs of Detroit wedged between the East Side (now ghetto) and Lake St Clair. The "Royal" bit is just precious, and fits with a self-inflicted local stereotype. But Liberia? Nooooo.*

    The address is, if memory serves, a residential address. (Somebody could check that as I'm not absolutely certain.)

    *Old joke circa 1978 or so, heard at a wedding reception held at the Grosse Pointe Yacht Club:
    Q. Why is lemon ice cream [not sherbet] the official G.P. dessert?
    A. All white and no taste.
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  6. Michael Lloyd

    Michael Lloyd New Member

    I think this is a pretty blatant ripoff of some of the medical credentialing agencies of the UK: the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College of Surgeons. In my profession, I often encounter physicians, usually trained in the UK, with the letters 'FRCS' or 'FRCP' after their names, standing for Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons or Physicians, as the case may be.

    I doubt very much that the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons USA has any ties whatsoever with the real agencies in the UK. Clearly, they are simply trying to trade off on the name similarity. Twits.
  7. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Never heard of it.

    It seems to have taken its name from the legitimate Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, a well known medical school in that country, and from the Royal College of Physicians in Ireland, a membership organization that seems to provide some kind of postgraduate training.

    I like this:

    The Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons has a tradition of excellence ever since it's inception in England about 300 years ago._ There are sister colleges in Ireland, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Thailand, and the United States; but none of these colleges are affiliated with each other.

    So readers are supposed to associate this thing with the legitimate "sister" institutions, except that they are unrelated. Right.

    Any university that offers doctoral degrees would be expected to appear quickly in a search.

    But despite referring to a university that seemingly doesn't exist, the name is cunningly chosen. It certainly sounds familiar. There's American International College in Massachusetts. There's American International University (Richmond) in London. There's American Intercontinental University that does lots of DL. Alliant International University in California used to be US International University, I think. There's even a mysterious American International University of some kind in Bangladesh.

    OK, is it even legal for this Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons to operate in the state of Michigan? Don't they need MI state approval if they are going to operate as a higher education institution in that state? But the Michigan thing doesn't actually grant the degrees, the non-existent university does that for them from off-shore:

    The American International University is chartered in the Republic of Liberia, West Africa, and accredited by the National Commission for Higher Education, a governmental accreditation authority. The Ministry of Education of Liberia grants the American International University the permit and recognition to operate a higher education through distance program. The Degrees awarded by the American International University are comparable to those of accredited colleges in the United States and other countries.

    So, who is this thing meant for?

    Candidates for the MS PhD program must be licensed doctors of a healing art including, but are not limited to, Doctors of Medicine, Bachelor of Medicine, Doctor of Osteopathy, Doctor of Dental Science.

    It's probably just a coincidence that the "American Academy & College of Alternative Medicine" shares the same Michigan address.

    My opinion: Pretty slick. Dixie, Maxine and Sheila may have some competition for the title of top degree-mill babe.
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  8. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Bill Dayson: "Pretty slick. Dixie, Maxine and Sheila may have some competition for the title of top degree-mill babe."

    Hey, is it time for a poll? I know Dixie's and Maxine's lovely phizzes have been available on the internet. Has Sheila's? What would it take to see them side by side. (One wistful answer: a healthy Mark Israel, much to be wished for.)
  9. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Re: Load of Crap

    Hawaii was a kingdom for much of its history. Can the king's descendants can claim royalty?
  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I have been having difficulty finding a website for the American Academy and College of Alternative Medicine. (Or any kind of reference to it at all.)

    But here's a very reassuring listing of schools from the prestigious American Academy of Drugless Practitioners (read it and weep) that shows the American Academy/College of Alternative Medicine and the American International University sharing the same Michigan phone number. And that just happens to be the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons' phone number as well.

    The American Academy of Tropical Medicine (same phone number) is interesting. A search turns up a number of hits for it, from reputable parties like the National Institutes of Health. Well, here's the deal:

    In the 1930s, the American Academy of Tropical Medicine and the American Foundation for Tropical Medicine were formed. Before the close of World War II, Wilbur Sawyer said in his 1944 Presidential Address that "No country can live to itself in disease prevention. . .|. Failure of one is a failure of all." By 1952, our parent societies merged as our current American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.

    But there are still references to the older organization and people occasionally refer to the current body, the 'American Society' by the older name, the 'American Academy'.

    So, take over the old name and get yourself some instant cred.

    I'm impressed. This babe isn't half bad at this.
  11. bgossett

    bgossett New Member


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  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Load of Crap

    You never heard of Ben & J. Lo???? Dion Sanders??? Michael Jordan??? The Donald???

  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: Load of Crap

    Only if they send me $50 in Hawaiiian money.
  14. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Thank you, Bill.

    What else do you have in your "jpg" closet, one wonders?

  15. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    A random sampling would include:

    • Kristiaan De Ley's main squeeze (at the time).
    • The Berne banner.
    • The notice replacing Monticello's web site.
    • Athens-Clarke University (defunct) president Doug Bond riding a camel.
    • Al Lepine's TC&U transcript.
    • Richard Ng.
    • Warnborough faculty party.
    • The ACI accreditation team.
    • The tacky cheerleader graphic from Earlscroft's original web site.
    • "Dr." Marianus
  16. Denver

    Denver Member

    Given previous lapses in screening – medical doctors probably have a more extensive background check than other professions. I wonder who the market is for this program?

    As far as the faculty, I randomly checked some of the names and they do seem to exist and practice medicine – but if they know if they are on the faculty may be another matter.
  17. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    Re: Re: Load of Crap

    You just change your Kings every 4 years, we change them every 400!
  18. galanga

    galanga New Member

    found an American International University link

    It's here: This is that well-intentioned, but flawed site which describes itself this way:
    If I recall correctly, anyone who wants to can enter their favorite organization into the data base. For example, there are three separate listings for American Coastline University.

    The AIU listing follows:
    So they're using that BSA Corp. email address and the Grosse Pointe postal address. The URL is wrong-- the ".com" ending was left off.

  19. galanga

    galanga New Member

    faculty roster

    Some don't exist, some are... not in a position to protest.

    "E. Brew-Grave, M.D., F.R.C.P. Regional Director, World Health Organization" is unknown to Google, save for a small presence on the RCPS sites.

    "Suresh Antony, M.D., F.R.C.P. Professor of Medicine, East Carolina University School of Medicine" might be the same person as "Antony Suresh J MD" in El Paso, TX (see but then again, he might not be. In any case, he's certainly not known to the ECU medical school's faculty/staff directory at

    "Haq Babur, M.D., Ph.D., F.R.C.S. Associate Professor of Neurosurgery, University of New Mexico" is no longer listed in the UNM school of medicine directory: Dr. Babur died January 19, 2004, about three weeks before the RCPS faculty page's modification (creation??) date.

  20. galanga

    galanga New Member

    so who is the domain registrant?

    The "Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons of the United States of America in collaboration with American International University" domain is with IP Its domain registration information is as follows:

    Aaimisms (ZMYCVSYDHD)
    30 Old Philips Hill Rd
    NEW CITY, NY 10956

    Administrative Contact:
    Aaimisms (IWWWOLHZNO) [email protected]
    30 Old Philips Hill Rd
    NEW CITY, NY 10956
    (845) 634-5075

    Technical Contact:
    ValueWeb (HOS237-ORG) [email protected]
    3250 west commercial Blvd.
    Ft Lauderdale, FL 33309
    954-334-8000 fax: 954-334-8001

    Record expires on 23-Sep-2004.
    Record created on 23-Sep-2002.
    Database last updated on 3-May-2004 19:39:29 EDT.

    The email address [email protected] can be found on the web here: and (unless the site information is incorrect) is linked to Dr. Martin Savitz.

    Dr. Savitz is also listed here, on the American Academy of Minimally Invasive Spinal Medicine and Surgery site. (This is a site created by Diane Marie Anger, who has built various RCPS sites.)

    Dr. Savitz is a neurosurgeon and is also listed as Dean of Surgical Research, Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons.

    There is a "Richmond, The American International University In London" listed in the CHEA data base, which is accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (MSA) Middle States Commission on Higher Education. But its web site is and Dr. Savitz is not listed in its faculty roster. This London-based school does not seem to teach medical subjects and would seem to be a different organization from the one linked to RCPS.


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