Resign before getting fired...

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by AsianStew, Apr 21, 2024.

  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Just curious, what are the benefits of resigning before getting fired? Do they get a chance to get re-hired at a different school or something outside the city or county, even state? I would hate to see such a teacher evade charges or get re-hired elsewhere just because he knows loopholes in the educational system...

    My daughter 12 goes to grade 6, she's fine, not bullied or anything, she's pretty good with everyone including teachers, but my son (10.5 years of age) in grade 5 is different, he needs extra help most of the time with a support teacher, he also gets bullied... I know how parents will feel when something like this happens, just sad...

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The only advantage I can think of is:

    "Have you ever been fired?"
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    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Resigned Advantage: Never been terminated (fired) from previous employment
    Resigned Disadvantage: Not entitled to unemployment benefits; some company gives this option to the employee to avoid paying unemployment
    Employment termination (fired) Advantages: Unemployment benefits, also possible, can file lawsuits against the employer for wrongful termination (whatever evidences support your case, such as racial discrimination, retaliation, etc.)
    Employment termination (fired) Disadvantage: You might be required to disclose involuntary termination by previous employer(s) to prospective employers that might hinder you from getting a job.

    Most of the time, new employers don't require you to disclose employment termination. One of my previous managers got into a flight with his employee, and they both got terminated. They both got new jobs within a month.
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    He was a first-year teacher. That year will prove to be, I think and hope, his last. This jerk obviously doesn't know enough about the educational system to stay out of trouble. With the DCS involvement, the investigation and the lawsuit, I'd be very surprised (flabbergasted) if his teaching certificate isn't on its way to permanent revocation already. It certainly should be. I smell likely criminal charges here, in the near future.

    It appears he wasn't offered a choice - quit or be fired. He resigned of his own accord halfway through the meeting, in a (likely unsuccessful) move to save his butt. That is one butt that doesn't deserve to be saved -- and I don't think it will be.
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You're only eligible for unemployment if you weren't terminated for cause, so if the handwriting is on the wall, you really don't have much to lose by beating your employer to the punch.
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's a different situation. Adults behaving like children -- but no children present -- none hurt. I'm OK with the outcome - they were lucky. I hope it taught them both a lesson. And unlike the education system - those two had no teaching certificates to lose.

    But this other guy, the teacher.... блядь!
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    If your employer intends to fire you, as opposed to a layoff or some such, you're probably better off working somewhere else anyway. Hanging onto a job in what is surely a toxic environment cannot be good for you and it might be dangerous to your professional future. I'd try to leave on my own terms as much as possible.

    There are some kinds of firing that you should think hard about resisting, firings that might be illegal for one reason or another. Talk to an employment lawyer if you think that might be the case.

    It is possible to quit and still be eligible for unemployment compensation but the circumstances are unusual. Again, talk to a lawyer.
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Another thing to consider. If after careful thought and reflection, you think maybe you should be fired, resign and do it now. I'm not talking about gross incompetence or criminal charges. I mean if you realize you just aren't built to be a good employee. If that's the case, think about working for yourself.

    That's where the money is, generally.
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    If one thinks they are about to be fired, then if they are not already looking, it would be smart to look for employment.
    It takes time to find a job, so while employed start looking, prepare for alternate generation of income.
    My good friend was working for a major company, he was a contractor for a year, and then they converted him to full-time employee, he was getting excellent reviews and enjoyed working there until the management changed, and new managers were from overseas, they started bringing their own people as it happens in many places.
    He frequently complained to me about how the culture changed, how workers from overseas on work visas take place of the employees in his team, he was "the last of the Mohicans" and knew that soon his place will be given to another overseas employee and his work will be terminated. He did use the company tuition assistance and gained new skills and graduate degree from TX A&M. It was hard to find new employment but when he was finally terminated, he wasn't starting from scratch, he had interviews and already did all the prep work etc.
    Still took him 4 months to land another job.
    He persevered, didn't resign, so was able to collect unemployment benefits while looking for a job

    I think, a little bit of paranoia is a good thing, it may help with job security by being ready.
  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I'm always surprised at the situations that do and don't meet the "for cause" designation.

    I regularly see situations where someone was clearly fired for sub-par performance but they get unemployment even in ruby red Iowa, and the occasional person who lets absolutely terrible things into the public record by trying to get unemployment when they absolutely don't deserve it (e.g. nurses fired for abusing patients.)
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  11. housecat

    housecat Member

    Resigned advantage: +10 to ego-boost, but wears off quickly when you realise you actually do need the government benefits.
    Fired advantage: You can always shift the blame as to why this occurred to make your position look better, like "I was fired as the company was downsizing and losing contracts left and right." This actually happens a fair bit too, especially with small businesses.
  12. housecat

    housecat Member

    Almost never resign except if you secure a better job firstly, or to ummmmm "spend more time with your family" lol priceless, I tear up whenever I hear a politician or big-wig use that one. Absolute comedy.
  13. housecat

    housecat Member

    Oh sorry for another post but the other reason to resign would be if you physically or mentally cannot continue in the position and become a liability to those around you.

    We all remember the videos on youchube of drunk/incompetent/unlucky? forklift operators absolutely destroying a warehouse in seconds. That's a perfect time to call it a day, gross and illegal incompetency. Watching that video again, all I can think of is the modern phrases of "oOoOooOf" and "no-cap."

    - ResignedCat
  14. housecat

    housecat Member

    I've worked in toxic AF before, but I wouldn't leave until I was "let go." Cost too much to try and remedy and meh a job is a job sometimes, just keep down on the haunches and watch the world burn around them. Also practiced quiet-quitting at the end to use a new HR phrase.

    One day one of my coworkers showed me a picture on Instagram from an ex-coworker who had an image of a broomstick laying down in a parking lot with the caption saying this was the CEO's other ride (caption used her actual name.) I didn't get it right away but it was a clever way of calling her out as a witch. I was like OH SNAP when it hit. But yeah that's the level things were at around there. I don't even list it on LinkedIn.

    Here's a meme for the feelings:
  15. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Member

    Sometimes people resign because it's just the right thing to do. For whatever reason, personal or professional, the employee knows that his/her continued employment won't be successful or perhaps his/her continued presence on staff would unwelcome distraction to the organization. In both of these cases there is no ill will. There is just a mature, sometimes selfless desire to do what is right.
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  16. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Sometimes it is the right thing to do either because the job isn't a good fit for you, you aren't motivated and aren't performing at the level expected, or you messed up. As has been noted it has the advantage of not being fired.

    It is advantageous for the employer often because they don't have all of the paperwork and HR issues if you voluntarily leave.
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