Not to stir up hornets' nest but ........

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  1. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Really, I do not.

    But ........ Pat Robertson says that "God Punished Sharon."

    A colleague sent me this via email a couple of days ago:

    See here:

    "Pat Robertson claims that God caused Ariel Sharon's stroke because Sharon "divided [God's]land." Remember that Robertson claimed that Dover, PA would have God's protection lifted because "intelligent design" wasn't going to be taught. I wonder, though, what "red states" Texas and Oklahoma did to deserve the drought and fires, what heavily Christian Mississippi did to deserve Katrina, etc......"

    Now, to be fair about it, Pat Robertson's website has an explanantion (some would say, spin) here:

    On, maybe, a related note, as far as the recent West Virginia mining disaster being a "punishment from God," believe it
    or not, but there is a "Reverend" Fred Phelps" whose church believes this very thing - and is planning to protest the miners' memorial service. See here:

    May Sharon recover with proto speed - and may the good people of West Virginia and the miners' families find strength and solace to carry on.

    Peace.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I believe that Pat Robertson stated that playing the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons would allow the devil into my life. Since I allowed the devil into my life, I don't feel I can be objective when commenting on Pat Robertson, so I won't.
     
  3. JoAnnP38

    JoAnnP38 Member

    I guess I can't really comment either -- I've seen all the Harry Potter movies :confused:.
     
  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    But you did! You did stir up a hornets' nest!
     
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    God, it seems, has a lot of patience with utter bloody morons. More than I do.
    Robertson can go to perdition. And Phelps.
    Nothing whatever to do with my religion, thank you very much.
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I have two evil, deceitful, soul-endangering comments straight from Satan to make about God's immaculate mouthpiece:

    First, is this guy getting senile, or what? This isn't the first time he's done this. He called for the murder of Hugo Chavez a few months ago. The reverend's comments are getting progressively more bizarre.

    Second, I wonder if his Regent University has enough institutional independence to allow it to distance itself from its founder if the gentleman goes embarassingly off the rails? Is there anyone anywhere in the Robertson organization with the position or the balls to stand up and say 'no' to the boss?

    The Robertson organization might be a big part of the problem if it's built to enable a charismatic personality, as so many mega-church groups are. It must be difficult for some people to exercise judgement and restraint in an environment where everyone around them is there to give them strokes.
     
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  7. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    I've been worried about that possibility since the Foggy Bottom comment.
     
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Regent is, I think, a good school, separate from its founder. Hopefully, it will survive.
     
  9. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Ecclesiastical (sic) Stalinism.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Oy vey!
     
  11. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Of relevance to DegreeInfo . . . When Robertson ran for president in 1988, his campaign literature referred to him as a Yale-educated lawyer (technically accurate, I guess, even though he failed the Bar), and as one who did graduate work in London (not true; he attended a short summer orientation course for Americans visiting London).
     
  12. DTechBA

    DTechBA New Member

    On that note...

    Is one a lawyer if they have failed the bar and are unable to practice or are you just someone who has a JD?

    I think it is a very pertinent question now that I think of it.....
     
  13. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Personally, I've always thought that a Lawyer/Attorney by definition has passed the bar. Until then you're just a person with a JD degree.
    Jack
     
  14. DTechBA

    DTechBA New Member

    I agree...

    Ditto, thus to claim one is a Yale educated when they haven't passed the bar wouldn't even be technically correct in my opinion.......
     
  15. DTechBA

    DTechBA New Member

    Re: I agree...

    Oops, I meant to write "Yale educated lawyer".....
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Is a "lawyer" necessarily admitted to the Bar?

    My wife-the-Georgetown-J.D. told me once that GLC takes the position that a J.D. is a lawyer regardless of Bar status and that Bar admission makes one an "Attorney at Law".

    I've seen the law license forms of a few states. None says, "lawyer" but IIRC, Nevada's says "License" to practice law. (It's really pretty, too, light blue with a silver seal. I was sooo envious. It would have gone so well with my eyes.;))

    Technically, an advocate in Admiralty Court is (or was) called a "Proctor".

    In the REALLY distant past, a "barrister" appeared in the law courts whilst an "advocate" (from the French avocat, I think) appeared in equity courts. The professions were separate.

    I have always in my own mind considered that a "lawyer" is one who counsels clients in non litigation or pre litigation matters, such as Wills or land title or contract negotiations. An "attorney" (to me) means an advocate in Court.

    ANYWAY, there's some warrant for the good Reverend calling himself a "lawyer" even if he's not admitted to any Bar. But he must a rare bird indeed, Yale's Bar pass percentages for first time takers, even in California, run in the HIGH nineties. I can't imagine how he COULD'VE earned the Yale J.D. then failed the Bar exam.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    DOCTOR Robertson?

    Incidently, apparently Regent University's law school refers to the Reverend as "Dr. Robertson", apparently based solely on his LL.B. cum J.D.

    www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/LawDean/deans_corner.cfm

    This ALONE is a solid argument for reverting to the LL.B. degree title!
     
  18. intsvc

    intsvc member

    IMHO, 'Pat' is an affront to all decent minded Christians.
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I don't understand why so many get upset when religious fanatics make such statements. This is nothing new.

    When I was growing up, numerous radio ministers made similar statements all the time. There was L.R. Shelton, Billy James Hargis, the Jessup brothers, Carl McIntyre, and on and on and on.

    This Robertson story has been all over television and in most of the major papers. Why? Because he is a conservative (albeit a hard conservative).

    How many papers printed the story about Harry Belafonte being in Venezula this past weekend with the communist dictator Hugo Chavez, praising him and calling Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world"?

    Not many. Why? Belafonte is a far leftist, that's why!

    Sounds like "Day-O" needs a "Brain-O!"

    Story here.
     
  20. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Re: Is a "lawyer" necessarily admitted to the Bar?

    So if one had, say, a J.S.D. in admiralty law, would one be a proctologist?

    Somehow, Pat Robertson put me in mind of sh*t. Can't imagine why.
     

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