North Central U. teams up with Rev. Dr. Chief Swift Eagle, D.D., Ph.D., J.D.

Re: pathetic people

I was still going to enroll.

 

Re: pathetic people

I'm not convinced that the concerns voiced on this group were inaccurate.

 

Re: Re: pathetic people

I trashed NCU a bit, but I also emailed them with my concerns.

 

Yesm.

 

Stanislav - you are wrong about the certificate

Attached is the license that IUFS has.

Licensing in Russia
Licensing is a procedure whereby an educational institution is granted the
right to carry out educational programmes in relevant fields of study
(specialities) and at corresponding levels of education. It consists of the
recognition of expertise, the taking of decisions, and the issuing of a duly
worded authorization, i.e., a license.
Licensing is based on the results of an evaluation carried out by expert
commissions that are composed of representatives of educational authorities
(federal and local), educational institutions, and the public. The aim of the
evaluation is to determine whether or not conditions for the implementation of
educational programmes at a given educational establishment correspond to state
and local requirements with regard to construction norms and rules, sanitary
and hygienic standards, possibilities for health care for students and academic
staff, the equipping of the premises and the teaching and learning processes
with the proper infrastructure, the staffing of the institution, and the
educational qualifications of the academic staff. The content, organization,
and methodologies of the teaching and learning processes are not included in
this evaluation. The license is issued by the state education authorities or,
on their behalf, by the local (municipal) education authorities on the basis of
the conclusions of the expert commission. This licensing procedure has no
equivalent in the western European countries but is somewhat comparable to California
state licensing procedures in the United States of America.
Even though licensing grants the right to engage in educational activities, it
does not confer the right to award educational certificates of the state format
certifying graduation from an educational institution. In order to earn this
right, an educational institution must be accorded state accreditation.


Russian Federation Ministry of
General and Professional Education, department of foreign credential evaluation
by UNESCO Guidelines for the Recognition of Qualifications from the other
countries in the Russian Federation approves IUFS as International University
with recognized accreditation that is equivalent to Russian State
Accreditation.

With membership in Russian Academy of Science and International Inter-academic
Union the IUFS students can be recommended to The Supreme Certifying Commission
Of Russian Federation For Doctoral degrees of State Format.

IUFS is actively working on State Accreditation status in Russian Federation.

I comunicated to IUFS many times that all the other bogus and unrecognized accreditations should stop.

They will do mach better with License only and with the time proper accreditation will follow.

In Russia there are many respectful yang universities that have at this time license only.


Check this school its licensed only like IUFS.
Respected in Russia

http://www.ane.ru/en/academy/

Grisha

 

Re: Stanislav - you are wrong about the certificate

So IUFS has a flush toilet.

 

Re: Re: Stanislav - you are wrong about the certificate

Yes. That is where you deposit your tuition.

 

Re: Stanislav - you are wrong about the certificate

No I'm not.

First, I was talking about their first "license" on a website: they claim it to be from the Ministry of Education, when in fact it comes from Registration Chamber of St. Petersbourgh. As a minimum, they lie on their web site about it.

Second, this very thread talks about their false claim - another lie.

Third, their administrators with bizarre credential claims. Forth and fifth, their apparently bogus "State Duma's commitee" and "Academy" (the Academy may exist as non-profit organization, but there's no way in hell it has the authority to award RAS membership... it is impossible even legally).
Finally, their links with American degree mills known to participants of this forum. They are disgrace to Russian/ex-USSR education system, and as a product of such myself I deeply resent seeing this.

You surely cannot be serious comparing IUFS with ANE (state-supported effort with more than decent reputation, providing, among others, joint MBA with CSU-Hayward. BTW, they also award state-form diplomas - apparently, unlike IUFS - and can be considered candidates for accreditation). BTW, IUFS license looks nothing like ANE one: former is from St. Peterbourgh Municipal Commitee for Education and Science, latter - from Ministry of Education.

It is interesting to note that there are much fewer lies and misrepresentation on Russian version of their site (although there are a lot of misspellings).

 

Hi Stanislav:

Are there any Russian universities (real ones!) offering DL, or DL in English?

 

Stanislav,

1. Their license is of a new format, this is how all licences
in Russian Federation look like today.
The new format is from year 2000.

IUFS old license that was renewed looked exactly like
the one ANE has. - SO ANE license is old from 90's ( format)

If you read carefuly the laws - postanovleniya about Licencing in Russian Federation in my previous post you will see that the license is issued by the state education authorities or,
on their behalf, by the local (municipal) education authorities on the basis of
the conclusions of the expert commission.

So it's the same license.

As far as granting state format diplomas, here is who can do this
ONLY SCHOOLS THAT ARE ACCREDITED by RF Ministry of Education.

Here is the law:



QUALITY CONTROL
As a result of the changes that occurred in the Russian Federation after 1990, and in order to ensure quality and efficiency, a new national mechanism for quality control and assessment was introduced. This mechanism includes:
the state educational standard;

licensing;

State accreditation;

State final attestation.



7.2. Licensing
Licensing is a procedure whereby an educational institution is granted the right to carry out educational programmes in relevant fields of study (specialities) and at corresponding levels of education. It consists of the recognition of expertise, the taking of decisions, and the issuing of a duly worded authorization, i.e., a license.
Even though licensing grants the right to engage in educational activities,
it does not confer the right to award educational certificates of the state format certifying graduation from an educational institution. In order to earn this right, an educational institution must be accorded state accreditation.

7.3. State Accreditation

State accreditation is the formal recognition of the status of an educational establishment by the State on the basis of solid evidence that its activities conform to nationally established requirements. The procedure results in the granting to the educational institution concerned the right to award nationally recognized certificates of the state format certifying the successful completion of an educational programme, to use a State seal of the Russian Federation, and to be included in the financing scheme of the State.

State accreditation is applicable both to state educational establishments and to private institutions. For higher education institutions, State accreditation is regulated by a decree of the State Committee for Higher Education.

 

http://www.ane.ru/en/academy/
So apparently, ANE is either got accredited or they have bended the rules for an acadenic center under the Government of RF (real one, not the bogus Duma commitee).

For the rest of participants: I'm from Ukraine and not an expert in Russian business education, but from reading russian MBA forum it seems that this ANE (AHX) is THE leader. They offer quite a few MBA programs, including joint ones with German and French universities and CSU-Hayward. They are also major research center. As one of russian MBA students pointed out, there are 2 accredited institutions offering American MBA programs with instruction in English: AHE CSU program and Touro University Moscow with TUI. ANE is the more known one and is regarded even better than new Moscow State U. MBA.

 

As I said, russian IUFS site seem to be more reasonable and has less fairy-tale stuff on it. It also has info about classes and physical facilities (rented from state school - Institute of Forest Management). So it is possible that IUFS actually carry on credible ("state licensed") programs for russian students - after all, it is harder to fool Russians with Russian language documents. But at the same time they destroy the credibility of their student's academic accomplishments by blatant lies and deception. This is just wrong thing to do, and cast a shade to Russian and exUSSR academy. With all the negative info about our countries going around international media, we just can't afford this.

To uncle janko:
There is some DL programs in Russia (I don't have links handy). I've encountered some such programs from sum of the newer private schools (but with the accreditation). In Russia, all private schools are new (obviously post-1991) and are held at a lesser regard compared to state schools, especially powerhouses like Moscow State, St. Peterbourgh State, Novosibirsk State and Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology.

 

I just found Russian educational portal, and there are a few DL providers in Russia, including state schools. Don't know about "residencies" though (eight schools in their database. I'm sure there's more. Also, many schools provide traditional correspondence courses, usually with exams on-site. It has been done for decades.).

As a matter of fact, for ANE it lists "accreditation: ¹000639 on 04.07.2002", so it Is accredited. Given it's reputation, I don't know how someone would think otherwise. The site lists 79
(seventy nine) schools in St. Petersbourgh, but no sign of IUFS.

 

I'm in agreement with you on most of your posts.

I had only one comment and it was about the license.
Yes, they display their business certificate from the city then the license and some other document - taxes related.

By the way I graduated from Yaroslav State University.

I'm happy to hear that ANE got accreditation: ¹000639 on 04.07.2002".

Why it's not on their web site?



Gregory

 

About ANE: I have no idea. Maybe they just haven't updated the content of their website.

I graduated from what used to be Kyiv Polytechnic Institute (now 'National Technical University of Ukraine "Kyiv Polytechnic Institute"' - all seven words of it. They apparently wanted both to keep ub with other schools cooking up new grand names and keep a link to their 100 years history.)