Netanyahu's Personal Interests Are Driving Him

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Jan 22, 2024.

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I agree with most Israelis that Netanyahu is letting his personal interests drive his decisions on the war. The man needs to go! He's hurting Israel. He's hurting Gaza. He's hurting the USA.

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    Latest Israeli election poll spells more bad news for Netanyahu


    From CNN’s Amir Tal and Richard Allen Greene in Jerusalem

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political prospects in Israel continue to look dim, with a new poll suggesting that his party would come in a very distant second if elections were held today, and the coalition he leads now would not win enough seats to stay in power.

    Benny Gantz, a former defense minister who joined Netanyahu’s war cabinet from the opposition after the October 7 attacks, would be the biggest winner, the poll for CNN affiliate Channel 13 suggests. His National Unity party would win 37 seats, the poll projects. Netanyahu’s Likud party would win 16 with him at the helm, and former Prime Minister Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party would come in third with 14, projections suggest.

    A slim majority (53%) said Netanyahu’s personal interests were the main consideration driving his conduct of the war. A third (33%) said the national interest was his main consideration, with the remaining respondents saying they did not know or not answering the question.

    Israelis last went to the polls on November 1, 2022. The next elections are scheduled for October 27, 2026, but many Israelis expect a national election to be called this year.

    The polling, conducted and released Sunday by leading Israeli pollster Camil Fuchs for Channel 13, is broadly in line with other polls conducted since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel.

    https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-01-22-24/index.html
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Many politicians in the West and not limited to the West can be accused of similar.

    Sounds familiar? It’s difficult to make a case for a man who clings to power while facing allegations that could land him in prison.

    There are many answers to that question, Before Oct 7 attack by Hamas, the relative peace and prosperity during Netanyahu’s tenure in office, the flourishing diplomatic ties with many formerly hostile or indifferent countries—especially Arab ones—and his success in securing vaccines for the coronavirus:

    Bibi’s Israel has become attractive not only for its modern, easygoing lifestyle, innovation, military capabilities, and great beaches. Its economy is a magnet to investors, largely because of Netanyahu’s insistence on turning away from the rigid socialism of Israel’s founders and replacing it with a free economy boosted by a social safety net. The country’s mandatory but competitive HMO-based health-insurance system, which enabled the vaccination effort, is one example of this hybrid economic model.

    By early 2023, Netanyahu’s once-revolutionary ideas have become widely accepted by mainstream politicians. His competitors rarely stray radically from his [platform of a] free economy, skepticism of Palestinian propaganda, and security-oriented style of governing. Instead, they promise Bibi-less Bibi-ism.

    Then came the Judiciary System reform, and it split the country like nothing before,
    Netanyahu's opponents proclaimed the reforms will severely undermine the country's democracy by weakening the judicial system, and all hell broke.
    Underlying this is strong opposition to the kind of government currently in office - the most right-wing in Israel's history - and to PM Netanyahu himself.

    The bill passed in July 2023 limits the Supreme Court’s powers to check the government but does not appear to impact the cases against Netanyahu.
    Opponents say that one proposed reform would allow the government to appoint more members to a committee that oversees appointees to the Supreme Court, giving Netanyahu the power to pack the court with more friendly judges.

    It appears in any case, like many politicians worldwide - whether the charges prove to be true or without merit, PM Netanyahu will continue to act in accordance with his own political and personal interests and states interests with range between center to right wing.

    Now 3 months passed, and the war is in midst, a lot of challenges on multiple fronts. But in my humble opinion any politics put side, Israel has to be united and persevere, be victorious.
    Then when the war is over, questions and investigations will follow. Most likely, if war stops now, the government will fall and new elections will be taking place.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, this makes me very suspicious that explains exactly why the war will drag out longer than necessary. Israel's reputation in the world is being significantly damaged by this war. There seems to be strong evidence being introduced at the International Court that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel understands that there is a price to pay for the securing Israel from repeated terror and rocket firing aimed to kill Israelis without distinction, children ,women, elderly, civilians, military etc. Rood, awakening to false temporary quiet that allowed the enemies of Israel to get much stronger.
    Hostile Palestinian state is not a solution, it's more like a step to final solution to extermination of Israel.
    Gaza is an example of what a Palestinian state on the border with Israel will be, only 100 times worse.
    Bibi is not one, he has a wartime cabinet mostly in agreement but yes, some differences as well.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm not questioning Israel's right nor need to protect themselves. I'm just concerned that Bibi is not the best person to lead the effort.

    The war in Gaza is apparently causing Israel to lose the moral high ground in the eyes of the world. Out of some 2,000,000 folks in Gaza apparently about 25,000 have been killed and 65,000 injured. Those percentages are concerning. The constant videos on evening news around the world is hurting Israel. I don't trust Netanyahu.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    War is horrible and brigs a lot of suffering. Now out of 25,000 around 10,000 are Terrorists combatants, and few more thousands are terrorists in training.
    If Israel targeted civilians then you would see 250,000 or more casualties, it's false to say the Israel is loosing moral ground, it's the world losing the moral ground.
    As Israel is not fighting regular army, but 3 Gaza's, the underground Gaza is 500,000 miles of tunnels and bunkers. Hamas and other Terror organizations that are competing for the funding, are shooting thousands of rockets from among civilians, schools, muks et. As soon a Hamas terrorists are changing clothes, and now they are civilians. The Muslim Brotherhood umbrella organization of Hamas prepared this political protest a had of time, years in making, Oct 8th you could see mobs of protesters with Palestinian flags, just like the tunnels in Gaza, so is the protests are all part of the Political Jihad.The situation in Universities also years in making, even 5 or more years ago Israeli speakers would be protested and at times banned.

    Times of troubles of Jacob, seems to came again.
    Israel is near prophetic and possibly apocalyptic proportions in times that can inflame the world.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I didn't say that. I said, "The war in Gaza is apparently causing Israel to lose the moral high ground in the eyes of the world." HUGE DIFFERENCE!

    Read again if you don't see the difference. Now if you don't believe me then that is a different matter. It's a simple fact proven by many polls. For example

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    WASHINGTON, Nov 15 (Reuters) - U.S. public support for Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza is eroding and most Americans think Israel should call a ceasefire to a conflict that has ballooned into a humanitarian crisis, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.
    Some 32% of respondents in the two-day opinion poll, which closed on Tuesday, said "the U.S. should support Israel" when asked what role the United States should take in the fighting. That was down from 41% who said the U.S. should back Israel in a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Oct. 12-13.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us-public-support-israel-drops-majority-backs-ceasefire-reutersipsos-2023-11-15/

    That article is 2 months old. It was just at the top of the Google search list. It has only gotten much worse since then.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes, not directed at you, I think those who judge Israel are wrong, and I agree with your point about the losing world support. The successful MB campaign and some squad members, affecting protest movements that are organized by Political Jihad and those who are fooled by them. It's easy to pass judgements when rockets are not flying to their towns and their loved ones are not held hostages in cages underground.

    Israel is loosing in the PR world.
     
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It doesn't matter. Bibi won't leave voluntarily and there's no way to force him out.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/vast-majority-voters-back-israel-191247300.html

    An overwhelming majority of voters say they support Israel over Hamas in their ongoing war, according to a poll released Monday.

    The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found that 80 percent of respondents said they supported Israel over Hamas in the conflict, compared to 20 percent who said they sided with Hamas more.
    That level of support for Israel has essentially remained unchanged since last month, when a similar poll found 81 percent of respondents saying they supported Israel more.
    The Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey was conducted Jan. 17-18 and surveyed 2,346 registered voters. It is a collaboration of the Center for American Political Studies at Harvard University and the Harris Poll.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel Hayom poll: Overwhelming support for early election, Right loses majority
    The big winner from holding elections now would be the last party that joined the government.
    The mood of the Israeli public is shifting after more than 100 days of war in Gaza – and the catalyst is a rift over Bibi among additional reasons.
    Israelis initially put aside their differences and rallied behind the war effort. Now, old divisions that could alter the course of the war are reemerging.
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    As I posted elsewhere, the Israeli population cannot force an early election and neither can the minority in the Knesset. Even if they could there is no reason to think the results would be any different than the last election. Netanyahu's coalition parties are either getting exactly what they say they want or must go along to stay in power. The center left and left parties are no more able to coalesce now than they were following the last election.

    Another thing to keep in mind...once a country is actually fighting a hot war, disengagement becomes very difficult. That's why we were stuck in Vietnam for a decade and why Biden got hurt when he ripped the bandage of off the Afghan debacle. In fact, going to war without an exit plan is foolish. Just ask Putin. Or at least, the few competent people left in the Kremlin. Putin's exit plan was victory and that isn't happening.
     
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