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Not true in my state, which was my original contention. Did you even read the requirements on the link I posted, they are pretty self explanatory.

What does this have to do with anything I said?

Neither am I.

It may be, or it may not be. For some situations having a degree with AACSB accreditation is certainly not overrated. That is all I said and I still say.

Sure, it would be interesting to know about a situation like you describe. It does not, however, have anything to do with my post.
Once again, in Utah it is easier to qualify to sit for the CPA exam with a degree earned from an AACSB accredited school. Along with the experiences shared by others on this forum (dealing mainly with teaching), I believe that in choosing a graduate school, AACSB is a valid criterion.

Tony

 

Re: Chill out

AND is not receiving a degree from an AACSB school.

 

Myoptimism writes,

"Sure, it would be interesting to know about a situation like you describe. It does not, however, have anything to do with my post.
Once again, in Utah it is easier to qualify to sit for the CPA exam with a degree earned from an AACSB accredited school. Along with the experiences shared by others on this forum (dealing mainly with teaching), I believe that in choosing a graduate school, AACSB is a valid criterion".

Tony


You are confusing apple and oranges. You have not been able to demonstrate that it is easier to qualify to sit for CPA in Utah or anywhere else with a degree from AACSB school than a non AACSB school by specific citation of the law from the state of Utah. When pressed for specifics you leap from one issue to another. Even in teaching AACSB is not the sole determinant and in many cases irrelevant. You can contact me offline and I will get you in touch with people who are incredibly succesful with accredited degrees period.

Since you have been unable to substantiate what you stated, I am regrading the issue as closed at my end. You can believe what you want to believe, I cannot change that but I can only hope others are not misled into believing same.

Godwin

 

Okay Godwin,

I have no idea what you are talking about since I have given you a link that shows quite clearly why it is easier to sit for the CPA exam with a degree from an AACSB (or acbsp) school. I understand that you either, didn't take the time to read the information contained in the link or, you just don't understand it. Although I don't have a lot of time, let me try to put it in a nutshell for you (UT licensing requirements.)

You can have either a...(from Utah's dopl site)

---In other words, if you were accepted (with any undergrad degree, of course these programs require prerequisites, which is usually a lot less than a full business degree,) the only requirements would be to get the degree. YOU QUALIFY!!!

Once again, you only have to satisfy minimal accounting courses to qualify.

These requirements are still pretty straightforward.

LOL. Are you seriously trying to make an argument that a degree through an AACSB or ACBSP accredited school does not make it easier to qualify to sit for the CPA examination in Utah? This is especially true with graduate degrees. Then again, you have made no argument. You have simply stated that I am comparing apples with oranges, that I am unable to substantiate my claims, and have given your opinion that I am misleading others. Please?!

If you disagree with me, state clearly what you disagree with. Don't tell me that you can put me in touch with someone who has been successful with a RA only degree, NA degree, CA degree, UnA degree, or degree mill degree. I could care less about anomalies of lesser magnitude dealing with success, I am sure there are examples. I stated that licensing boards (in my state) do care about AACSB accreditation. I have also proven it.

http://www.dopl.utah.gov/licensing/forms/051.pdf

Tony

 

Tony,

All I am saying that the State of Utah does not require exclusively that one must obtain a degree from AACSB institutions to sit for CPA. In fact, it is either or according to the Utah State web site. Either you have a degree from AACSB institution or a regionally accredited institutions. I don't easy what makes it easy for AACSB and not an RA institutions. I post the requirements here according to UTAH web site for all to see and make their decison.

I just want to make sure that before we make statements, we must make sure it is accurate. Have a good one.

Here is UTAH State web site requirements for CPA examination posted in its entirety below. Under requirements (a) is AACSB and (b) is Regionally accredited institutions. It is either or and that is my point.

Godwin

R156-26a-302a. Qualifications for CPA Licensure - Education Requirements.
The education requirements for CPA licensure in Subsection 58-26a-302(1)(d) are defined, clarified, or established as follows:
(1) An applicant shall submit transcripts showing completion of course work consisting of a minimum of 150 semester hours (225 quarter hours) as follows:
(a) a graduate or undergraduate program within an institution whose business or accounting education program is accredited by the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB), or the Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP), from which the applicant received one of the following:
(i) a graduate degree in accounting;
(ii) a graduate degree in business including not less than:
(A) 24 semester hours (36 quarter hours) in upper division accounting courses covering the subjects of financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting; or
(B) 15 semester hours (23 quarter hours) graduate level accounting courses covering the subjects of financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting; or
(C) an equivalent combination of graduate and upper division accounting courses covering the subjects of financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting with one hour of graduate level course work being equivalent to 1.6 hours of upper division course work; or
(iii) a baccalaureate degree in business or accounting and 30 semester hours (45 quarter hours) beyond the requirements for a baccalaureate degree which includes not less than:
(A) 16 semester hours (24 quarter hours) in upper division accounting courses, which when combined with the accounting courses listed in Subsection (B) below, have at least one course with a minimum of two semester hours (three quarter hours) each covering the subjects of financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting;
(B) eight semester hours (12 quarter hours) in graduate level accounting courses, which when combined with the accounting courses listed in Subsection (A) above, have at least one course each covering the subjects of financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting;
(C) 12 semester hours (18 quarter hours) in upper division non-accounting business courses;
(D) 12 semester hours (18 quarter hours) in graduate level business or accounting courses; and
(E) 10 semester hours (15 quarter hours) of either graduate or upper division accounting or business courses.

(b) a graduate or undergraduate program from an institution accredited by the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges, Commission on Colleges, or the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, Commission on Institutions of Higher Education, or an equivalent accrediting institution from which the applicant received a baccalaureate or graduate degree with not less than:
(i) 30 semester hours (45 quarter hours) in business or related courses providing a minimum of two semester hours (three quarter hours) in each of the following subjects:

(A) business law;
(B) computers;
(C) economics;
(D) ethics;
(E) finance;
(F) statistics and quantitative methods;
(G) written and oral communications; and
(H) business administration such as marketing, production, management, policy or organizational behavior;
(ii) 24 semester hours (36 quarter hours) in upper division accounting courses with a minimum of two semester hours (three quarter hours) in each of the following subjects:
(A) auditing;
(B) finance;
(C) managerial or cost;
(D) systems; and
(E) taxes; and
(iii) 30 semester hours (45 quarter hours) beyond the requirements for a baccalaureate degree of additional business related course work including not less than:
(A) eight semester hours (12 quarter hours) in graduate accounting courses;
(B) 12 semester hours (18 quarter hours) in graduate accounting or graduate business courses; and
(C) 10 semester hours (15 quarter hours) of additional business related hours shall be taken in upper division undergraduate or graduate level courses.
(2) The division in collaboration with the board or the education subcommittee of the board may make a written finding for cause that a particular accredited institution or program is not acceptable.
(3) The Division in collaboration with the board or the education subcommittee of the board may accept education of a person who holds a license as a certified public accountant or equivalent designation in a foreign country, if the applicant has obtained from the National Association of State Boards of Accountancy (NASBA) verification of compliance with the terms of an agreement for reciprocal licensure between the foreign country and the International Qualifications Appraisal Board of NASBA, which agreement provides the applicant's examinations, education and experience is determined to be substantially equivalent to the 1994 Uniform Accountancy Act licensure requirements or a version of the Uniform Accountancy Act having substantially equivalent requirements.

R156-26a-302b. Qualifications for Licensure - Experience Requirements.
In accordance with Subsections 58-1-203(7) and 58-1-301(3), the experience requirements for licensure in Section 58-26a-302 are clarified, or supplemented as follows:
(1) The Division in collaboration with the board may accept experience of a person who holds a license as a certified public accountant or equivalent designation in a foreign country, if the applicant has obtained from the National Association of State Boards of Accountancy (NASBA) verification of compliance with the terms of an agreement for reciprocal licensure between the foreign country and the International Qualifications Appraisal Board of NASBA, which agreement provides the applicant's examinations, education and experience is determined to be substantially equivalent to the 1994 Uniform Accountancy Act licensure requirements or a version of the Uniform Accountancy Act having substantially equivalent requirements.

R156-26a-302d. Qualifications for Licensure - Examinations.
(1) The Division in collaboration with the board may accept testing of a person who holds a license as a certified public accountant or equivalent designation in a foreign country, if the applicant has obtained from the National Association of State Boards of Accountancy (NASBA) verification of compliance with the terms of an agreement for reciprocal licensure between the foreign country and the International Qualifications Appraisal Board of NASBA, which agreement provides the applicant's examinations, education and experience is determined to be substantially equivalent to the 1994 Uniform Accountancy Act licensure requirements or a version of the Uniform Accountancy Act having substantially equivalent requirements.


KEY: accountants, licensing, peer review
Effective July 3, 2002 58-26a-101
Notice of Continuation April 15, 2002 58-1-106(1)
58-1-202(1)







CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANT
LICENSING ACT RULES

















R156-26a
Utah Administrative Code
Issued July 3, 2002

 

Have you looked at Northcentral University (www.NCU.edu) ? It is RA. I was also told that the university is right now not too keen on IACBE/AACSB accreditation. They might go for them in the future.
They are very much interested in improving the courses and making it more attractive to students.

 

I am not sure I understand what you are saying about IACBE/AACSB accreditation.

 

Manjunath:

Are you suggesting him to go with NorthCentral? Whereas, in another forum you mentioned you didnot like their programs? And Chris was particularly looking for an AACSB... if not AACSB then may be IACBE... if NCU does not have any of these and not even interested in going for these, whats the point here?

 

I think he suggested it because that is the school he is attending. I did look at Northcentral, but like you state they are only RA. If I choose to go that route I will stay at ESC.

 

Originally posted by 9Chris
Any other suggestion for me? [/B][/QUOTE]


I am not suggesting him to go to NCU or any other university. I just wanted to know if he has already looked at it. I was also specific that NCU will not make any attempts to become IACBE/AACSB accredited in the near future or they might go if somebody at NCU feel that it would help. Its his choice to choose any school he want to.

 

I have made a decision---

After speaking with an advisor at ESC, I was encouraged to apply for fellowship offered thriough the SUNY system. If I am lucky enough to be awarded one, It will cover tuition, books and I will receive a small stipend. However, I have to apply first to be considered for the fellowship. (The decision will be made in August)

I have decided that I am going to apply to both ESC and Touro and let the chips lie where they fall.