Hulk Hogan to speak at RNC

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Jul 19, 2024.

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  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The RNC will feature an obscenely rich, orange-skinned, stringy-haired, narcissistic, pathologically dishonest, womanizing, delusional WWE Hall of Famer and reality TV star several decades past his prime.

    Also, Hulk Hogan will be there to endorse him.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/07/18/g-s1-11894/hulk-hogan-rnc
     
  2. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    :eek:
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    They love made-up things. Conspiracy theories, the Deep State, QAnon, Antifa, professional wrestling, NASCAR, Donald Trump.

    The average "pro" wrestler would last about 2 minutes with an actual wrestler. When I grew up, even the football players left those guys alone.
     
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Your assertion is that the people who train for a sport are better at the sport than people who don't train for the sport?
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. My assertion was that a "pro" wrestler would last about 2 minutes with an actual wrestler. What you're offering isn't an assertion, it's an inference. I made none, leaving that to others.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's ALL scripted. Always. Totally fake (as a competition).

    Consider how regulated boxing is. If wrestlers actually did what they pretend to do, it would be illegal in every state. It is choreographed, including the outcome, and has always been such. Kabuki theater.
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    In other words, the people who train for a sport are better at the sport than the people who don't train for the sport. Gotcha.
    It's part scripted and part improvised. It used to be much more improvised in general, but the amount of improvisation depends on a number of factors, including how experienced and trusted the performers are. In any case, it's a performance art set on a live stage. I'd compare it to Medieval Times or The Harlem Globetrotters. One aspect of pro wrestling that makes it stand out from other fictional media is the deliberate effort to blur the lines between what is real and what is fake. There's not really a fixed fourth wall in wrestling as you'd have in movies or other TV shows. Wrestlers' real lives blend into the story of pro wrestling and here and there, vice versa.

    There's also quite a few pro wrestlers whose background is in amateur wrestling. The most famous examples are probably Kurt Angle (Olympic gold medalist), and Brock Lesnar (NCAA champion). The current WWE champion, Cody Rhodes, was a GA state amateur wrestling champion.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, that is not the inference I would draw from my statement. If you'd like, here it is: People who actually wrestle would destroy people who only pretend to wrestle.

    This is tedious. I hope we're done here.
     
  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Just like the real Wolverine would destroy Hugh Jackman. Maybe they should have just casted the real Wolverine instead.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Except that there is no "real Wolverine," but there ARE real wrestlers. The analogy fails.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I am pretty sure Stallone or Michael B. Jordan would not last 2 minutes against real professional boxers, and Tom Cruise would make a lousy fighter pilot. Likewise, Medieval Times knight will lose a fencing match in any competitive discipline. I am not sure what or anything is demonstrated by these blindingy obvious observations.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You're kidding, right? You don't see the difference? Actors are not going around telling people they are the really the roles they're playing. Stallone isn't telling people he's a boxer. But professional wrestling has ALWAYS portrayed itself as an actual sport, an actual competition, with actual outcomes. In fact, if you tell the average wrestling fan that it is all make-believe, he'll be pretty angry with you. They don't like the lies to be challenged by the facts. Sounds like a certain political party, no? It's fitting that Terry Bollea would be speaking there.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Really? I don't see ot that way. Wrestling fans may be very invested in maintaining "kayfabe", but not seeing the difference between it and the reality? After all, it's not exactly subtle. People form deep emotional and parasocial attachments to characters and story lines in telenovellas, too - it doesn't mean they don't know these are fictional. As someone noted, if it was legitimate competition, a lot of wreslers' actions would amount to grave rulebreaking, even felonies - in fact, that's the whole point of a "heel" character. You really think an "average fan" never asks why say "Stone Cold" Steve Austin (dated example) never gets disqualified or arrested when he cheats or assaults people outside of a ring, on national TV? Seriously?
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It wasn't meant to be a serious analogy, but since you're treating it as one, I think it still works. You said it yourself:

    Pro wrestlers aren't portraying any sport that exists in real life. They're "pretending" to be something that doesn't exist.

    "Always" is an extreme exaggeration. You will have to look far and wide to find either a pro wrestling company or a pro wrestler that makes the claim, in all seriousness, that what they are doing is "real". I've never seen it in my lifetime. The trajectory of the genre is similar to what has happened to magic. Nobody has seriously tried to pass it off as "real" ever since it was discovered that the audience knowing that they were doing illusions didn't stop them from wanting to watch. The biggest difference is that when wrestling has tried the Penn and Teller approach of reminding you, during the show, that what they are doing is a routine and not "real" it just doesn't work. There is also the tradition of "living the gimmick" which still has its time and place. You'll sometimes see it when wrestlers are interviewed for talk shows, and you'll often see it when wrestlers interact on social media.

    The two biggest wrestling promotions in the US, the WWE and AEW, both have live press conferences right after their big monthly shows are over to discuss creative direction, storylines, etc. After their most recent one, Money in the Bank, the head of WWE's creative department was asked about a wrestler who made a mistake during the show (it was obvious that he was supposed to kick out of a pin, but didn't). He gave both an in-character response and his real-world response.

    This proves my point, thanks.

    Not angry at their fiction being exposed. Annoyed at the obnoxious tool who mistakenly thinks he's the smartest person in the room.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ugh. Pass. Enjoy the last word.
     
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    You could have just as easily admitted you were wrong, but sure, here's my last word: I've never in my life met a pro wrestling fan over the age of 10 who thought that pro wrestling was "real". I've met plenty of people over the age of 10 who harbor the misguided notion that wrestling fans think it's "real" and refuse to accept otherwise. It's a very eccentric delusion.
     
  19. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hey, to distract a little:

    I was into Kung-Fu as a young man and was convinced Sumo was not a real thing. So, when the local sumo guys had their open day, I went there, chatted a little with them and challenged them to a fight. I was at my physical prime and weighed approx. 90 kg then, and I was quite REALLY well trained. I got my trial fight. That guy just grinned as my two well-placed kicks and then, he simply threw me out of the ring. Without any visible signs of effort.

    Hard lesson in humility, Mac...
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    WWF and a like, became very popular, I rember being fan of Von Erich family of wreslers. And many others. I always viewed it as a mixed circus and acrobatics kinda show.
    Yet liked it s lot.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/s18yXaJEyH9HNXKh6
     

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