Hanoi John's Stolen Honor Video Online

Show some respect. You're talking about your next president.

 

Perhaps. Right now, he is just a clown in front of a TV camera who is using every dishonest political trick he can to get a vote. I do believe in respecting any President despite any difference of opinion.

 

Maybe, as he is doing a full court press to reach those who are too lazy to have already weighed the issues and who lack critical thinking skills enough believe his baloney. However, lazy people who lack critical thinking skills sometimes don't get around to voting... Gut instinct: there will be no Washington John.

Dave

 

Dear Dave Wagner,

There is a book that you should read. It is very interesting and you might have a different conclusion when you are done. The book is Choosing War. It is about the "Long 1964" when the Johnson Administration stepped up and changed the conflict to an Americanized war. It gave me pause as historians continue to right and discuss this subject. Many many people had told the LBJ administration not to do this, but he continued on. Just my two cents.

 

Oops....*write. Boy do I feel dumb.

 

Hanoi John Kerry is Too Risky

Thanks for the book recommendation (if I wasn't neck-deep in journal articles I would go glance at it), but even if I wanted to "penalize" Bush for making the wrong decision, I wouldn't pick a waffling idealistic to replace him. Hanoi John is too risky, in my opinion.

Dave

 

I think all of these political movies are pure rhetoric. Although mildly entertaining, Fahrenheit 911 did not influence any decision making on my behalf. The anti-Kerry movies just show the same desperation on the Bush side of the coin as well.

Bottom line to me - Kerry served and got his metals legitimately. GW served in the ANG, Cheney dodged (same as Clinton). End of story. Kerry didn't do anything illegal. If you really listen to his testimony, you would see that he supported the troops but didn't support the administration. I support our troops, but think the current administration is inept. In the spirit of being a true American, I will not support a war that I consider more of one man's vengeance against another. I do notice that GW picks and chooses the parts of the bible he chooses to follow. I am not a believer, but it seems to me that this is contrary to the teachings of Christianity.

As a side note, there was a new story on the Bush's counter movie to Fahrenheit 911 - called Celsius 4-11. FNN touted it as playing to a "packed theatre". Hum - NBC-11 showed the "crowd". A 750-seat theatre with about 250 people watching the movie. That is hardly a crowd.

 

Friend,

I appreciate your view but the purpose of the war was not "one man's vengence against another." Bush did what he thought was right and I believe was the right move.

Yale John Kerry enlisted in the Navy fresh out of Yale when his deferments ran out. When his cushy assignment aboard ship ran out he chose swift boats that were supposed to be near "China Beach". When the patrol routes changed he complained continuously and "earned" three purple hearts (i.e., the ticket home) in a few short months. (I know a Vietnam vet who was awarded one purple heart for surviving a grenade attack and spending 11 months in the hospital, as generally they were difficult to earn...) When Hanoi John went to the desk job he met with representatives of a foreign goverment. When he mingled with fellow vets he saw opportunity to "help" his fellow Vietnam vets that led to Nixon and Haldeman discussing in the Oval Office how they could use him as part of their plan to complete the withdrawal from Vietnam. Generally, Kerry didn't ever directly volunteer to go into combat in the jungles with a rifle in hand to defend his country (with the possible exception of the time he ran the swift boat aground to chase the guy with the grenade launcher who was about to kill them all), so your judgments of the motives of other leaders may be erroneous. Overall, I thought you might appreciate an alternate interpretation of his service in Vietnam and his waffling idealism...

Dave

 

And then he became an abortion doctor on the way to make out with Jane Fonda. What else did Rush say?

 

I don't understand your comment. Are you commenting on my post?

Dave

 

Yes. I guess that was cryptic. I was just using exaggeration. Your post stated those things as if they are fact. Same thing Rush does.

 

What wasn't fact? Or are you just one of those folks who hate Bush and are willing to do anything, including sending your brain on a long vacation, to elect someone else?

Dave

 

Insults. Nice.
Your history of him in the military is wrought with conjecture and you're assigning him motives as if you know him. Here:

"When Hanoi John went to the desk job he met with representatives of a foreign goverment. When he mingled with fellow vets he saw opportunity to "help" his fellow Vietnam vets that led to Nixon and Haldeman discussing in the Oval Office how they could use him as part of their plan to complete the withdrawal from Vietnam. "

Where'd that come from?


And, I don't hate Bush. I think he got some bad advice from Karl and Dick. I consider them very dangerous people. Avoided fighting, but oh so willing to send others to fight.

 

No, just observations on the cognitive processes that seem to be at work.

Did I say that people favoring Hanoi John were being stupid and irrational in vetting their choices for President? No, and, in fact, it is their right under democracy to be left (and wrong)... ;-)

Please just be honest with yourself; if Bush hadn't brought the Taliban, much of Al Qaeda and Saddam to justice, Hanoi John would be saying, "This President has no bold vision for the security of our nation... blah blah blah... I will never let terrorists with WMD to roam Iraq, Afghanistan, Pennsyltucky, the Pentagon and New York City ever again... blah blah blah..."

Dave

 

First off, you never answered my question. You changed the subject. Now I have to respond to some hypothetical situation? We done.

 

What question? Are you talking about the PBS special contrasting Bush and Hanoi John, which played the Nixon tapes and delved into the track records of both candidates? When someone asks the obvious about some element of common public knowledge, it isn't always clear what they are asking, if anything... Someone really smart told me one time, "Words do have meaning."

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Spoken like a true GW beleiver. If GW is the best that you Neo-cons can do, then you are in BIG trouble.

Problem with GW and his true beleivers such as you Dave, is that you cannot admit you are wrong. If you think you are so right, then you have an obligation to join up now. Or, if you are too old, then you have an obligation to order your son's or daughters to join your man's war. And forget the pussy shipboard or flyboy duties - you need to be on the ground face to face with the enemy. There is nothing like bullets flying your way to jusify your cause.

Let me guess - you are going to be the arm chair quarterback like GW and Cheney.


Geez guy - learn from history.

GW has 4 more days left to govern. After that, he will be another loser like his dad and brothers.

 

Wow, that was a lot of rhetoric! How about posting specifc inaccuracies and the evidence that shows them to be so, instead of just name calling and attacking Dave's character? That would be much more inline with the ideals of this message board.

 

Your response is more silliness from a lazy thinker... But I do have a couple of thoughts.

Actually, my son will join either Army ROTC or Air Force ROTC next year: his choice and in line with my encouragement. He is majoring in computer engineering with pre-med, so he may try to be an Army doctor.

Are you aware that an elected President doesn't take office until the following January?

By the way, a Hanoi John win is really wishful thinking at this point. I realize that you keep saying it over and over again as if it were true, but Kerry better keep reaching out to those lazy voters who lack critical thinking skills. That is, his target audience, as they have a tendency to forget to vote or watch soaps instead.

Finally, if you think a weak, pacificist Presidential candidate like Hanoi John will avoid war, you are, of course, wrong, according to history. A weanie President like Clinton only invited the provocation that Bush had to respond to. Oh how I wish you Hanoi John supporters would read a paper on a regular basis...!

Best wishes,

Dave

 

I voted by mail for Bush.

While I think the argument that all who vote for Bush must be either be old or be willing to pick up an M16 is flawed, I'm 64. My 30 year old son is a disabled Marine. My 28 year old spent 14 months in Iraq, "on the ground face to face with the enemy," and is talking about re enlisting in the Guard with the liklihood that he will return. None of us , including me, is afraid of a fight . As I understand it, the majority of the military prefer Bush to Kerry.

I do think Bush made mistakes. What president doesn't? But I distrust Kerry.