Georgia Shooting

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Vonnegut, May 6, 2020.

  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's been shared all over the place, including by me.
  2. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    So we now have four different videos... I'm simply amazed at how every often people are being recorded, even in just normal middle class neighborhoods.
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I'm aware of 3, which am I missing?

    - Cell phone video from the man following in a vehicle from behind.

    - Security video from inside the house under construction.

    - Security video from a neighbor across the street from the house under construction.

    - ?????
  4. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    There’s another security video from him inside the house, days earlier, during the middle of the night (night vision camera).
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Oh, thanks. That one is a bit harder to find than the others.

    I've skimmed a few articles that mention that the identity of the person on that video has not been determined yet, although from my perspective, the body type and hair style do look very similar to Ahmaud's appearance in the daytime security video.
  6. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Posted from my phone, so I didn't pull a link. There was a local Georgia news site that had it posted initially. Quick Google, and this is the first link that has the aforementioned video. No comment about the pod-caster who's talking about it in that link.
  7. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    To further muddy some waters...

    Appears there was a text message trail, of local police, the shooter, and the homeowner agreeing to have the father/son respond to security camera detecting intruders on the property.... LINK
  8. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    This one is difficult to decipher and how much weight to put on it depending on how it was actually carried out by the police dept. At the most innocent possible scenario it is just the local police telling a neighbor, "hey, we have been having some issues in this area so keep a good eye out." At the worst, you have people with government power telling citizens their best resource is a retired cop willing (eager) to respond and endorsing the encounter and maybe setting up the situation if they actually had that conversation with the accused, personally if not legally (not deputized, even if he was did he identify himself?) empowering him to go into that situation.

    The news story I saw, and it may be the homeowner trying to distance himself from the case, but he says he didn't see the message until months later and never coordinated with the shooter.

    On separate note, and it doesn't matter for this murder case now, out of all of these videos of the deceased visits to this job site what is he doing? Is he looking around or is he loading things up? I would think a vehicle would be an important tool to rob a job site.
  9. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    My thoughts are tending towards viewing it as a non-factor with regards to murder/manslaughter charges. Not that it matters legally, since Georgia does not have hate crime laws, but it could be argued to a jury that it is evidence of no/minimal racial bias in the incident to a jury. Not sure how that would go though.
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The person that filmed the video has been arrested and there's evidence that he had earlier hit the fellow with his truck in order to try to stop him. He also said that the son that shot the rifle stood over the body and exclaimed "f---ing n-word".
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  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    If these details are accurate, despite being absolutely deplorable actions on top of the absolutely deplorable actions we already saw on film, this might be a good thing if it can strengthen the case against them in court. It clears up some of the ambiguity about whether the (utterly insane) citizen's arrest law is applicable as a loophole.
  12. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    I just want to point out that I read in a news article that (at least in Georgia) it's not trespassing for a person to walk through a house that's under construction to take a peek, especially when the house has no walls, doors, windows or other barriers up to keep people out. I guess the rationale is that you can't break and enter into a dwelling that's wide open. As far as the claim that there were a "string" of robberies in the neighborhood goes, one burglary from an unlocked car does not a "string" make.
  13. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Likeness means nothing. Thousands of black men have been detained, arrested and murdered by LEOs just because they "fit the description". That is a very old excuse racist LEOs use to justify harassing black men. All it takes for a black man to "fit the description" is being black if the accuser is white and claims a black man committed a crime against them. Police go out and harass every black male they come across, regardless of their height, weight, complexion (light, medium, dark) or any other identifying characteristics, especially if the crime was violent or involved a weapon. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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  14. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The jury is deliberating. I was nervous that they would get off due to the outrageous GA citizen's arrest law that allows civilians to essentially deputize themselves. However, the judge came in at the last hour with a ruling on the application of the law that derailed the defense's entire case. Admittedly, I didn't listen hard enough to the arguments made, so I'm not sure how true the judge's interpretation is. It sounded like the procecution and the judge were just quibbling over what the syntax of the law implies in context and the judge decided to go with his gut.

    I think it looks good that they will convict. However, I think the defendants have a strong case for an appeal, since the judge waited until the very end to rip the carpet right out from under the defense.

    Despite how I feel about the defendants, I'm bothered by how the case went down. I'm no legal expert, but I'm confused about how it's not unconstitutional. Maybe it is?
  15. Isn't about the constitution exactly, in GA, good ole boy has trumped that in rural counties forever. This case is only happening because of press. You can literally see and hear defense attorneys struggle with the actual and full law versus what has always been the reality for connected white folk and how the "law" was selective application to let stuff like this occur over and over.

    Georgia resident, white guy and frankly until other white guys figure out you aren't a racist POS they are surprising open with it all.

    I only wish the death penalty was in the table...
  16. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    While the judge may have brought down a ruling, it’s always hard to disqualify entire arguments if they were succinctly made. Coming in at the last hour… don’t have the most confidence that it’s not too late or isn’t effectively a softball to an appeal.
  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

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