For profit schools on tax payer funds in CA results

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://calmatters.org/education/2024/08/for-profit-schools-california-jobs/

    Taxpayers cover tuition at California’s for-profit schools. The results? Low-wage, high-turnover jobs.

    "Officials have warned students for years that for-profit schools may make misleading career claims — leaving them with “a mountain of debt” but no job. Still, many for-profit schools remain on the state’s list of recommended job training programs."

     
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It's been this way since...forever.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    As ever, judging a school based on its tax status rather than its individual merits makes no sense.
     
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  4. warguns

    warguns Member

    I have known several people who attended for-profit schools to become a LVN (licensed vocational nurse). When I pointed out to them that they could have attended an ROP (Regional Occupational Program) or a community college for much less money (in fact noth the ROP and Community college LVN programs are essentially free if one qualifies for Pell.) All of them stated that there were long waiting lists for both ROPs and CCs. The only ROP I am personally acquainted with (North Orange) foes indeed have a waiting list IN ADDITION to several courses required BEFORE entering the LVN program.

    There is a state license exam, which operates to weed out the unqualified. The pass rate for the LVN exam BY SCHOOL is available online at

    https://www.bvnpt.ca.gov/pdf/vn_pass_rates.pdf

    but I doubt that many prospective student consult it. The pass rate for most for-profits is respectable (in the 80%).. For some schools, the majority of students fail.

    It's also worth noting that the great majority of LVNs attended a for-profit schools.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not surprised. Twenty years ago I worked for what is now Keiser University, and they started a nursing program while I was there. Many of the students told me they knew they could have done nursing more cheaply at community college, but the wait was just too long.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I worked at a for-profit that had a high pass rate for its LVN graduates, but that was the only program they put effort and money into because it was the only program that led to a license. It also had additional regulations from the Texas Board of Nursing. For the other programs, admissions standards were lower, and the job outcomes were terrible. We only had to worry about ACCSC, which was more concerned with administrative stuff than quality and outcomes.

    I had to design curriculum for four courses in accordance with ACCSC requirements, and it was a pain. Afterward, I worked at two RA public universities, and there's less red tape. But you know what? The students can read! Hallelujah!
     

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