Electronics Engineering at Excelsior

The "extreme distinction" is drawn by ABET - who take pains to distinguish between the two degree types.

Many schools have both BSEE and BSEET programs. The BSEET is often awarded as a "consolation" for BSEE students who can't hack it in a BSEE program and are allowed to drop to an easier program. It is a face-saving measure - in my opinion.

 

Why bother what ?? Read the prior discussion.

Yes - this particular bridge program between the BSEET and BSEE lists six courses - more or less a full year's work. That's typical. This is why it's unfortunate there aren't more MSET degree programs available for BSET grads.

I'm not sure why you think engineers need to complete prerequisites for an MBA. In my case several MBA core courses were waived due to an undergraduate BSEE. Probably some MBA core courses would be waived for BSIT grads also - but probably not for BSEET grads.

 

An engineer typically does not have the undergraduate background in business required for successful graduate business studies. The business department doesn't really care about the technical courses.

An example of MBA core requirements at Fairleigh Dickinson can be found at http://fduinfo.com/g/require.php?3200-mba-mgmt . Note the six required core courses that would be found in a business undergraduate degree but not an engineering degree. All the MBA programs that I've looked at require bridge or prerequisite programs for non-business majors. This seems to be the norm.

 

The argument that a degree is better because its more difficult is flawed. For example Mathematics by itself can be more difficult or even physics. So to say the technology course is less than Engineering because of a few more Maths classes does not make any sense.

If you think maths is difficult then maybe engineering is not your first calling.

 

Most of the mathematics covered in electrical engineering are useless in the real world. I have never used differential equations, triple integrals, maxwell equations and a lot of the crap covered in the typical undegraduate in electrical engineering.

Technology programs replace some of the useless math courses with more hands on courses.

I have seen many electrical engineers that cannot even fix a computer or install a simple PBX due to the lack of training in this. They might be able to solve complex equations but not all the jobs require this.

Again, technology programs are just a different orientation and not exactly inferior than engineering programs.

The same argument exists among Information Technology and computer science graduates. Computer science graduates always feel that their degree is worth more only because they took complex math courses that IT graduates normally don't take.

 

Of the foundation courses listed by Fairleigh Dickinson, an ABET-accredited BSE degree holder should have three waivers: Economic Analysis, Organizational Behavior, and Applied Statistical Analysis - because these (or something very close) are standard courses in an accredited Engineering degree. These are in fact the waivers I received at the AACSB-accredited MBA at San Jose State University due to my undergraduate BSEE.

 

Referring back to Fairleigh Dickinson, http://fduinfo.com/u/require.php?1626-bs-ee, the only course that you mentioned that is part of the program is engineering statistics. The NJIT program, http://catalog.njit.edu/undergraduate/programs/electricalengineering.php, also seems void of these courses, except that NJIT does have a management elective.

I started at Fairleigh in 1986 (BSEE) while employed at the old AT&T Bell labs and none of the courses that you mention were part of the program then either, with the exception of stats. Perhaps Fairleigh and NJIT emphasize more engineering electives than your program did?

 

I completely agree that the BSEET is a different emphasis than the BSEE. I humbly disagree that the math is useless, I feel that it is more in-depth and may well be needed depending on the engineer’s specialization.

 

?? I'm looking at the BSEE Requirements at F-D: http://fduinfo.com/u/require.php?1626-bs-ee. 4th Semester: ENG4221 Engineering Statistics & Reliability. 5th Semester Eng4210 Managerial & Engineering Economic Analysis.

My school required a course in Management Theory. F-D makes do with "Cross-Cultural Perspectives". So maybe F-D grads would get one fewer waiver in an MBA program.

The requirements for a broadly-based Engineering educations are similar in ABET-accredited schools. Sounds like BSEE Programs have changed since you dropped out.

 

There is a fine line between broadly based and watered down.

I believe that I had acknowledged the statistics course. What about the other 4 required core courses? A business major would most likely have fulfilled all the required core courses.

I would also mention that the BSEET program requires a Managerial & Engineering Economic Analysis (EGTG4269) course and has the option for an Engineering Statistics & Reliability course (EGTG4221). Both the BSEE and BSEET versions have the same course description, although the Eng4210 lists calculus II as a prerequisite. How many business majors have taken calculus II?

Bottom line is that it would appear that both programs are on an even playing field with respect to an MBA, but not as good as having an undergraduate degree in business.

 

I am interested in starting an ELECTRONICS Technology degree. I am looking for a good school, is excelsior the only ONLINE ABET ELECTRONICS degree out there??

Thanks gusy!