Doctorate Decisions, narrowed to two different avenues!

Re: Re: Kristie~

Most of the people that suggest TUI are students there, isn't that subjective?.

 

Re: Re: Re: Kristie~

You are right one hundred percent. The only people that have recommended Touro University so far are TUI students. Perhaps they are recommending TUI because they are enjoying their academic experience at TUI. But we have to note that most people in this forum agree that perception is one of the factors that affect the utility of a degree. I still wonder why TUI students are the only people in this forum that have recommended Touro University.

 

I would like to recommend the DBA program I am enrolled in – ESC Grenoble, France. Tuition for the pilot program is $8900 a year for three years; residency is one week in France each year during Thanksgiving with a ten-day visit by the Grenoble professors to New Orleans each summer. (we meet during the evenings and both weekends). The rest of the program is via videoconferences/group seminars and individual work with your supervisor. The program is in English, so you don’t have to know any French. However, it does help to have some knowledge of French culture and language. Most of us in the pilot program are from Louisiana, so we do speak some French and many of us are also members the French American Chamber of Commerce so we have business interests in France. As stated above, this is a pilot program, space is limited and the summer residency is currently only offered in New Orleans. However, if anyone is interested I will be glad to provide you with more information.

 

Denver - Please send me some information. [email protected]. This sounds interesting and I might be interested!

 

Final post to this thrwad

Final post to this thread - unless someone posts something that is so volatile I feel I need to respond!

People posting to degreeinfo (or so is my impression) have an idealistic notion that if they get a doctorate they'll be able to enter academic life and teach in a top rated university - irrespective as to country and especially if they have professional/work experience! Wrong! Unless you get published in the right journals you'll never make it in the highlevels of academic life. I'm not suggesting this is right, just simply pointing out the way it is! Of course, with a doctorate you'll perhaps be able to get a visiting professorship or a full-time faculty post in a range of other type of academic institutions. BUT, if anyone has a grand idea about becoming a professor in a top school (anywhere in the world) with just a PhD (even from Oxford, Harvard, etc) then forget it! It's pubications, publications and publications...more or less! Of course, I look at many of these publications (in my own field of expertise) with sceptism (often)..but it is all a game!

Life is too short. Do the prigramme that is best for you, that you can cope with and that really interests you. Then, get your publications out in the 'right' journals if you want a really goof academic full-time job!

'telfax'

 

"Do the program that is best for you..."

That is what the original post was trying to do. I wanted to give some background on my hopes and dreams . I have done a great deal of research on both programs, and they both hold areas I find essential (depth, reputation, faculty, repsonsiveness of the admissions staff, my desire to conduct advanced research with guidance to being published, etc. etc.)

If I was wanting any old Doctorate, I would go to a degree mill and buy one, but this forum is an avenue for information that is not in the literature I have found, this is the experiences of the group.

I don't think that if you get a doctorate, you have a free pass to teach, but I don't think it would hurt. I have been told to try to get on as a part time professor, but the spots just are not there (or I don't know someone who knows someone in the hiring office). I have even volunteered unpaid.

I think there is a huge political / networking side of being a Professor, and getting a foot in the door, this forum seems to have a good grasp of this industry and how to make things happen.

I would like to open the thread back up to the group, it may be basic knowledge to some, but I hope everybody would bare with me while I learn from the forum. Thanks for everybody's patience.

 

Re: Final post to this thrwad

Although I must agree with your comments. Another important factor is just "luck". In Canada some departments are facing an increasing demand of professors due to an old faculty population that is about to retire, if you happen to have a PhD at the right moment in the right field then publications, prestige and all these factors that we talk about are just not as important as opportunity. When I was a student I remember having very old professors that immigrated to canada when there was no faculty around, most of them with PhDs from third world countries and with not much research or impressive knowledge. They just happened to be at the right moment and the right time.

 

So the question is...

As telfax stated 50% of the game is getting published with the other 50% coming from the University you receive your Ph.D. from and actually receiving that Ph.D. Therefore I have been pondering 'What is the easiest path to getting published?'

The statement that one needs to be published is clear to most that do their research, but how to achieve this seems much more difficult then simply stating 'you need to get published'. Being aware of what is published in journals in your chosen field would help, but you would need a subscription or at least to be located near a major university with an open library to read them onsite. The traditional methods of learning from your professors while you are taking the program are not available to DL students. So what is the answer/solution?

FYI my situation is a little different from the above. I plan to apply for a traditional Business or Econ. Ph.D. program in approx. a year. I hope to be lucky enough to be accepted and eventually find a job on a four-year university somewhere in the mid-west. In my application I will be testing out my credentials of UoP undergraduate degree and the courses I will have completed towards a Masters in Economics from the University of Oklahoma. Anyway, the whole mystique of "getting published" baffles me.

John

 

Not so!

Not so! As you go about your work and studies, doing youer doctorate in a reputable institution 'you learn' which are the journals that count for 'brownie points'! In fact, many the magazines and jourbnals that actually attract real interest from readers are not those that will earn you the 'brownie poitns' in terms of academic/university jobs, promotion, etc. It trul is all a game - rather like getting accreditation/recogntion by instituions!

'telfax'

 

Denver - Stop teasing me, is this an urban legend, or do you have info for me!

 

Re: Final post to this thrwad

Telfax,
I like the "really GOOF academic full-time job". Nice FREUDIAN.

 

Re: Re: Doctorate Decisions, narrowed to two different avenues!

Kristie,

when looking for a job,

"IT'S NOT WHO YOU KNOW, IT'S WHO YOU BLOW!"



Just kidding.

IMHO, Henley seems a very tough program, and anyone entering it should really consider whether they are willing and able to do the required work. Touro U. seems more "do-able", a PhD is more recognized than a DBA, and for teaching at a U.S. college or university a domestic RA-accredited degree may be preferable over a foreign AACSB-accredited one (many of this board will disagree on this one, I suppose).


Marko