Doctor of Telecommunications (D.Sc)

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by firstmode4c, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

  2. sentinel

    sentinel New Member

  3. Zaya

    Zaya New Member

    Is there a particular reason you are thinking about an unaccredited institution?[/QUOTE]

    Well, just look at his background.....:rolleyes:
  4. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Well, just look at his background.....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Seems a little snippy to me...

    AIU is another slick website with reasonably priced unaccredited doctorates that will get you on the fast track to no where...
  5. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    What does that mean?
  6. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Perhaps Zaya was referring to firstmode4c's listed credentials and the possible next step being a doctorate, and missing the unaccredited question. But then I'm an eternal optimist.

    Although I would be very suspicious of a school named Atlantic based in the Pacific.
  7. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

    No wonder degree info is dying...

    You guys make fun of the colleges I attend, yet I have learned so much at the nationally accredited ITT Tech and nationally accredited Mt. Sierra college. I have leveraged these degrees which are of great value to me to get a 70,000k a year job in telecommunications with barely any experience at all.

    I am very successful in my career and have had promotions within my department since taking on this job.

    I leveraged these degrees and everything they have taught me to get into a regionally accredited masters program at Keller Graduate School of Management. I am challenged by the class work, the instructors are excellent and it will advance me in my career even more.

    How dare you judge me and the schools I have been to. Mt. Sierra college was very challenging with required research papers at the end of each of my Junior and senior level classes ranging from 15 to 25 pages. My thesis for my Bachelors came in around 50 pages.

    I have been nothing but helpful in my posts on degree info over the years helping people make decisions. How you belittle the hard work I have put into my degrees is sad.

    To answer your questions, I did not know the doctorate was unaccredited. I did not know anything about the school. The topic of the degree, in telecommunications, is quite rare and I thought it may be a program to look at when my masters is done to continue my research into Data Networking and telecommunications studies.

    Worst Case scenario was that the program was Nationally Accredited and I would have to weigh the good and the bad of going in that direction.

    Seriously, what is wrong with you guys? 6 other people from my graduating class at ITT are all making at least 60,000 a year right now, one as high as 90,000.
  8. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

    Seems a little snippy to me...

    AIU is another slick website with reasonably priced unaccredited doctorates that will get you on the fast track to no where...[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the response Dave.
  9. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

    I definitely do not want an unaccredited degree, thanks Sentinel.
  10. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

  11. sentinel

    sentinel New Member

    That was my impression (not wanting an unaccredited degree) given the good quality of your previous educational endeavors. Fortunately, we have resources such as this board to help everyone of us navigate the sometimes murky waters of accreditation, especially in the USofA.

    Honestly, before stumbling onto this board a few years ago I was completely oblivious to the entire issue regarding post-secondary institutions in the country immediately south of me. I thought all post-seondary institutions were accredited. In Canada, the provincial governments regulate schools (K-12, community colleges, universities, private career college, vocational schools, etc.). Beforehand, national accreditation, regional accreditation, and even diploma mills were unknown to me.
  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    No judgement here. An accredited school is accredited - plain and simple. ITT is a good school and know several that have attended.
  13. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    There was only one guy that possibly had a negative remark. The advice given by posters with hundreds or thousands of posts give good feedback to questions. posters who are not serious get banned or move on to other pastimes pretty quickly.
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 29, 2009
  14. J. Ayers

    J. Ayers New Member

    Good evening!

    Perhaps you would be interested in the PhD in Technology Management with a specialization in Digital Communication Systems offered by Indiana State University. More information can be seen at on the web.

    Good luck with your search for the right program.
  15. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Just to be perfectly clear...

    I don't know anything about this particular "AIU" except that the website is pretty slick and the accreditation page glosses over the fact that an unaccredited doctorate has almost no utility beyond the informational content. No matter how many years you spend working on it, members of "The Guild" will pretend that it means nothing...

    I'm guessing that the level of effort is probably somewhere between one and two masters degrees. You could write a decent book or two with that much time. The cost is $5,750, which seems reasonable except that you could buy a heck of a lot of books and certs with that amount of money.

    Don't get confused about what a doctorate is for; it is for research and teaching in college settings. It isn't some badge to flash so people will mistake you for the smartest person in the room, which is rarely the case anyway...
  16. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    What a wonderful world that must be :D
  17. Daniel Luechtefeld

    Daniel Luechtefeld New Member

    I've worked in telecommunications for over a decade - for the US Federal government, for a wireless carrier, and now for a major telcommunications equipment manufacturer. In that time I've come across only 3.5 doctorates (no DSc's):

    -The CTO of a major wireless carrier (PhD in Electrical Engineering). Brilliant man - completed his BA, Masters, and PhD within five years of entering the university. Now has about 25 years experience directing strategic-level technical aspects of major wireless systems.

    -A PhD candidate in Mathematics, hired to analyze IP traffic patterns and develop RF link and IP traffic engineering models for the same wireless carrier.

    -A peer staff systems engineer at my current employer. This PhD in CS and I (a liberal arts major) are at the same pay and responsibility level.

    -A man who was once a candidate for the position held by #2. Despite this PhD in CS badly failing our interview we offered him the position anyway (the guy had a patent or two to his credit - evidence of competency).

    What I've learned:

    -If you aspire to a telecom position that requires a doctorate, you need a PhD in one of the hard skills - EE, CS, Math. Think "climb calculus and statistics mountain". A DSc in Telecom that lacks a very rigorous quantitative component won't cut it.

    -A doctorate doesn't guarantee a leg up the telecom career ladder.

    -A doctorate doesn't guarantee you won't choke in an technical interview.

    Moral of the story: think carefully about what your career goal is, and ask why is a doctorate necessary for that position.

    IMO, a telecom pro is better advised to pursue a CCIE - very rigorous, highly esteemed, very remunerative (six figures).
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 29, 2009
  18. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

    Thanks for all the excellent replies!
  19. firstmode4c

    firstmode4c Member

    You are correct Ian, sorry for accusing the innocent.

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