Do businesses really know what the AACSB stands for?

Large pool of acceptable applicants? I thought the AACSB stood for better than acceptable. Looking at their page they claim "Institutions that earn accreditation confirm their commitment to quality."

We can find all the Microsoft\CISCO technical trainers we could ever use at the $50-65 hr range. We use three different trainers that charge a minimum of $90 hr simply because we want the best. We want trainers that know the real world and how to teach. We leave the book readers to the local colleges.

It is call positive return on investment .




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Good suggestive selling! Years ago I trained salespeople that were graded on lines per ticket. You sold a major computer system for $$$$ but didn't add the high margin accessories?

Not good enough


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"...high margin accessories?"

you mean like AACSB?

 

Hmmmm... How many hours total is your training program? A BA is 60 3 quarter credit hour classes x 30+ hours per class or 1800+ hours. At a difference of $40 per hour: $72,000+. I think if you are talking Duke or NYU they probably do follow your line of thinking. At TUI, Amberton or the local state university, I doubt they have that luxury. I do appreciate the post.

 

Some of the tech classes run 40 hours of classroom time, about the same as a college class. Difference is that the tech classes usually run five full days in a roll.

I realize that overhead plays a factor in tuition costs. But many schools charge a level of tuition that should allow for more money for the instructor.

AACSB claims a commitment to excellence. IMHO excellence should start in the classroom by employing the BEST possible instructor available. By excluding ACBSP and RA instructors that have quality real world experience I cannot see how this can be accomplished. By paying what they pay even less so.



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All the adjunct faculty I have met either have good full time jobs or are retired. They teach because they enjoy it, not for the money.
Why do adjunct faculty on this board teach?

 

The day I see adjuncts donate their adjunct pay to charity is the day I believe they do it because they enjoy it! Some may not want to admit that they have five figure incomes and six figure expenses and must work for what adjuncts get paid.



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One need not donate his/her adjunct pay to adjunct for the enjoyment of teaching. Certainly accepting a job for nominal wages and no benefits speaks for the intent. But, I do think that teachers as a group do so because they want to, not because they have to...

As you say "just my opinion".

 

The following site seems to suggest that many adjuncts are NOT doing it just for the love of teaching:

Welcome to Adjunct Solutions
"Building careers, one class at a time"

http://www.adjunctsolutions.com/homepage.html

A quote from the site that I like:

"I've heard a common complaint from my fellow adjuncts lately. Many of them, it seems, have made peace in some way with the low pay, the lack of respect, the lack of job stability -- the dominant facts of adjunct life. What many adjuncts can't seem to accept, however, is the lack of social interaction with their colleagues, especially the full-timers.
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Low pay, lack of respect.....You must really, really, REALLY enjoy this to do it!


Why not teach at non-profit charity that deals with the disadvantaged or handicapped if you really want to make a difference? Your willingness to volunteer will be greatly appreciated. Bet you get more respect, too. Little or no pay but since it is not for the money...........


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Many retail outlets employ part time employees that have regular full time jobs. When I was training retail personnel I was surprised at the quality full time jobs some of the people had. Some said they were selling part time for the fun of it. But I found out later many were overextended financially and too proud to admit it.

I cannot but wonder how many of the adjuncts teaching "because they love teaching" would quit in a heartbeat if they won the lotto!

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actually, if I win the lotto I will quit my full-time job, buy an island and adjunct from the hammock

I am sure your point is valid in many instances.

By the way, sales, in my opinion, is one of the most difficult jobs for anyone to do and do well. Good luck in your efforts.

 

What a great idea! Even I could go for that. Would prob keep dropping the notebook PC from the hammock though.

Don't sell anymore. As you can see I spent a lot of time here online recently so I must be management now


You are right also. I had some adjuncts that appeared to love what they were doing. I would believe it if they said they did it for the love of it. But I had some that would watch the clock and cut a 6-10 PM class into a 6:30-8:30 PM class with a half hour break at 7!. So perhaps the long term adjuncts do it for love while many of the first and second timers getting started do it mainly for the money?

I would guess that an adjunct visiting this site is more into education than the average adjunct thus skewing the percentage of teaching lovers here.

Finally, those that truely do it for the love of teaching are the ones that should be getting paid the most. You are in many cases what keeps the students coming back.

If the AACSB really cares about quality education they will ensure that the adjuncts get better pay and say so in the process.

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Well, if I did win the lottery or the other half became a director at Goldman Sachs, I'm back to school to do an MPhil and PhD in Byzantine Studies and then saying to the university of my choice . . . "just appoint me, I don't need the money! You can have me and somebody else as well".

On a related note, there was an extremely depressing article in The Guardian recently on how museums in the UK may have to revert to being run by people with private funds http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/comment/story/0,9828,1208965,00.html

Some of us, even if we don't teach at the moment, really enjoy teaching. In fact, the love of teaching was about the only thing that kept me sane in the job from hell when I was being paid peanuts to do remedial computing classes for the unemployed.

Angela

 

I teach....

to set myself up for a retirement supplement, to earn a little extra travel money and because I enjoy it. I would be glad to earn $1800 pre class. I earn less than $1400.

 

You situation I can understand. Teaching something that is your passion and a hobby would be fun, even if the money is very little.

This has been an interesting thread. I enjoyed the different perspectives. Thanks all

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This is a great point!!!

But here is my two cents:

This may sound really corny, but here is my first part of the first day of class, that may answer this question…….

How many in the class have:
Hiked the Grand Canyon Rim to River?
Been Skydiving?
Been Bunjy Jumping?
Been Cliff Diving?
Have a Hobby that they love?

I have done all of these things, I have a “real world” job, and I have a passion, to be here and teach you about business.
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I am just getting started in the teaching world, so I do it for the short term (love it) and long term (possible career) goals.

This semester has been great, becuase I know enough student know that I am writing letters of recommendations, helping student in competitions, etc.

 

Please let the board know if you find out anything interesting. It is on my short list of possible programs so I am trying to get as much info as possible.

Thanks,
Tony

PS Good luck with your doctoral program. I am sure you will be fine.

 

And yet from what I have learned the AACSB appears to consider you to be an inferior instructor. Those students would be so much better off with a full time Ph D even if she had limited real world experience. Those poor students are being cheated by having an adjunct. You should be ashamed of yourself !




Keep up the good work!

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