DL doctorates in top universities

Re: Walden University

A predoctoral or postdoctoral research associate is not a member of the faculty, but is someone who is hired to assist faculty in laboratory research. Many research associates do go on to `ecome full-time faculty (often at other universitities). Being a research associate at an Ivy League school certainly is nothing to sneeze at.

 

Re: Walden University

I don't think anyone said that Dr. Antonakis was part of Yale's faculty, and I didn't read anyone confusing his research position with being part of the teaching staff...

 

Re: Re: Walden University

Since...

1) The link that you provided above, which announced Dr. Antonakis' position at Yale was dated Summer 2001...

2) You stated that you "remember a number of distance learning articles that came out a couple of years ago mentioning a Walden PhD among Yale University's faculty"...

3) 2001 could reasonably be considered "a couple of years ago"...

4) There are no current Yale faculty with a doctorate from Walden...

...it is possible that whomever wrote the distance learning articles that you read mistook Dr. Antonakis's position as part of the faculty.

By the way, Dr. Antonaskis is currently on the faculty of the MBA program at Universite de Lausanne in Switzerland, along with graduates from Harvard, MIT, Princeton and Stanford...not too shabby. http://www.hec.unil.ch/mba/programme/faculty

 

Re: Walden University

I believe I clearly and specifically stated that I myself did a faculty search on the Yale University website and did NOT find a Walden alum among their ranks, but that I DID find ANOTHER person, a researcher (not a faculty member), and I provided the link (in the spirit of helping those curious where a Walden University degree could take them). While the confusion from the timeline factor is understandable, I don't see how anyone reading the lines should come to the conclusion that a researcher position is the same as a faculty position and that Dr. Antonakis was THE Yale FACULTY member mentioned in the articles that came out years ago...

It's good to learn, however, where Dr. Antonakis is now (not too shabby, indeed). Thanks for the info.

 

Re: Re: Walden University

Arch, take a deep breath...I was certainly not suggesting that YOU were saying that Dr. Antonakis was a faculty member or that your link to the 2001 Walden newsletter was an attempt to do anything but clarify the statement that Walden grads have gotten jobs at top universities.

I did suggest that whomever wrote the distance learning articles that you referenced may not have known the difference between a research associate and an research professor (a distinction that you obviously understand). Here is the quote from you, upon which based my comments:

"Also, I remember a number of distance learning articles that came out a couple of years ago mentioning a Walden PhD among Yale University's faculty."

Since you did not mention the source of the articles, and since I know that non-academic journalists and reporters that write articles for newspapers and popular magazines often have little knowledge about what a research associate does (especially since they tend to be listed on department faculty web sites), I made a reasonable conclusion that Dr. Antonakis could have been mistakenly labelled as a faculty member by the article's writer (not by you). The timeline (presumed to be around 2001-02) certainly matches. Now, if the articles that you read were in a scholarly journal on distance learning, that would be another issue.

Could there have been a Walden Ph.D. or Ed.D. among Yale's faculty in 2001-02? The Ivy Legue schools often hire junior faculty who stay with the schools for just a few years and then leave when it becomes obvious that tenure is not an option (having a couple of years of teaching at Harvard or Princeton certainy doesn't harm one's vita!).

Personally, I would love to see Capella and Walden grads in faculty positions at prestigious universities. Perhaps they are there. I would just like to see evidence for it.

Tony

 

Re: Re: Re: Walden University

Tony, here's some evidence... I found this professor with a PhD from Walden at U of Mass Dartmouth. Took 'bout 15 seconds so there's probably a lot more:

Griffith, James (1974)
Chancellor Professor of Medical Laboratory Science BS Southeastern Massachusetts University (UMD); Certified/Memorial Hospital of RI School of Medical Technology; MS Southeastern Massachusetts University (UMD); PHD Walden University

 

I looked a little further and found another at Univ of Maryland, George Mason University, Boston University... found some others at Brock University, Univ College of Cape Breton, University of New Brunswick, and University of Western Ontario. Some good, some not so well known. Didn't find any at the MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Univ. of Chicago level.

 

What we need to know are the individual stories behind these accounts of DL PhD'd profs.

Did these profs do DL throughout, from Bachelor's to PhD, then out-interview others to get the position? Or did they get their Bachelors and Masters B&M, make it into the university as an adjunct or with some other non-tenure track position, really impress people with their brilliance, and get told: "Look, if you just go and get your PhD--we don't care where--we can move you into the tenure track, we really like you."

As painful as it is to face, this may have been the situation with many of these profs; I'd like to know the rest of the story. Related example: my father-in-law was an ABD professor in a prestigious private college's Language Dept. Years ago they told him: "The Language Dept is going to be cut back, and as you're the only one sans tenure, it's you. But we like you so much, have you ever considered being a business prof? We'll have an opening there in a couple years." So at their expense they sent him to a top-15 MBA school, where he graduated in a year-and-a-half, and the interview process was perfunctory and fixed--that's how he got his present job. So you never know the story, there may be very good reasons for those DL PhDs to which we aren't privy.

Just a thought.

 

Little Fauss, I have seen your handle before

Ever talked to anyone about Western Illinois MBA on another board?

 

Re: Little Fauss, I have seen your handle before

Yes, sir. Had a rousing good discussion over on BW Forum with a brilliant fellow. Handle remarkably similar to yours.

 

Given that widescale DL is a relatively recent phenomenon, I think most people with an advanced DL degree (e.g. doctorate) also have a traditional education along with relevant experience. There are a lot of variables in what makes a person a desirable candidate for any given position. So much so, that I doubt it can be reduced to formula or attributed to one specific factor or other.

 

We Think Alike

We think alike, ha ha. Welcome to degree info. What motivates you to seek DL? I think I remember you were a lawyer. Are you wanting an MBA or PhD?

 

Re: Re: Re: Walden University

Check just this one page in the UMUC faculty listing. You'll find profs with degrees from Capella, Walden, UMUC, American InterContinental, even K-W, as well as a couple of unaccredited law schools. True, UMUC is online, so they might be more inclined than some to grab faculty with online backgrounds, but it's the direction everyone will be going if they haven't started yet.

https://apps.umuc.edu/faculty_bios/list/dsp_list.cfm?theLetter=C

 

Rex Cutshall, who lists the K-W doctorate on the UMUC faculty page, also teaches at Kelley School of Business, Indiana University. But there he doesn't list the doctorate: http://www.kelley.iu.edu/ODT/faculty_staff/rcutshal.html

 

Re: We Think Alike

Pursuing an online MBA from a large B&M--I want to teach at the college level. Ultimate goal to horn my way into an AACSB-accredited business school teaching business law; I'm currently an adjunct at a small university.

Would love to get PhD, but not sure it's a realistic goal with a large family and one income. Also, there's the small matter of the lack of an AACSB-accredited DL PhD or DBA program (except, I think, for Aston and Grenoble, but I don't know how well those degrees would be received over here--I think half of the academics would think they're for-profits along the lines of K-W, the other half would just give your CV a blank stare when they saw the names of those institutions). I might possibly seek a second Masters--got the Harvard MLA in Gov't in mind, could be pursued Summers, perfect for a college instructor. But who knows? My money and my wife's patience may one day wear out; she's a saint to allow me to pursue this MBA program while she spends an extra 10 hrs/wk chasing kids around without my help, I may not want to press my luck.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Walden University

UMUC is not the kind of institution that Tony was referring to. I think that he was talking about tenured employment of DL doctorates by top research universities. UMUC and University of Maryland (College Park or Baltimore County also) are not in the same class.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Walden University

He said "prestigious." He didn't say "top research universities." You said that. All campuses of the University of Maryland are prestigious, IMHO, just as the University system of pretty much every state is prestigious. Certainly more so than, say, Nova Southeastern.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Walden University

I don't know, I'd personally put Nova and UMUC on equal footing; the University of Maryland is "prestigious", but UMUC, in my opinion, is not.

UMUC is quite different from most branches of state university systems in that it awards a large # of degrees via distance, some of which are not accredited at the highest levels, and has a primary--though not exclusive--focus on non-traditional students. It's not quite like the difference between the University of Minnesota and the University of Minnesota-Duluth, where one may be better-regarded than the other, but both have the same basic focus, same levels of accreditation for individual programs and same delivery methods.

Disclaimer: UMUC is not, in my opinion, a junk institution nor is it a diploma mill; it's just not to be mentioned in the same breath as UM, as in Terrapins, and it's not considered by any means "prestigious".

 

Round up any 20 people off the street and ask them which of the two is more prestigious and assuming you aren't in Ft. Lauderdale or environs the answer will be University of Maryland University College at least 19 times.

However, the original statement was "I would like to see examples of people with DL doctorates who are teaching full-time at ANY university (let alone a "Tier-1" school)." Clearly UMUC is at least "ANY" university. I gave him some examples and now some people want to split hairs. Where's your examples?

 

Learned Foot said,

"Round up any 20 people off the street and ask them which of the two is more prestigious and assuming you aren't in Ft. Lauderdale or environs the answer will be University of Maryland University College at least 19 times."

Neither is PRESTIGIOUS, I'd say, but UMUC is at least prestige-ish.