Divining the Dilemma in Dothan: A Test of Sincerity

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quote:Originally posted by AlnEstn


Bill, you are a little more positive than I am, for I really do wonder if Bethany is "just using the AABC affiliation as a creel to catch prospective students or as a camouflage for deficiencies." Now, as anyone can notice, that reflects my personal hesitancy about the issue...smells a little fishy around here! Is something rotten in the state of Denmark...I mean in Dothan?

Amen, and Amen!




quote:Originally posted by AlnEstn


I guess I better answer my own questions.
1. As strange as it might sound, I think they may be serious...

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Jimmy is right, I have grown more pessimistic recently. After I answered my own questions on the survey, I checked with Jimmy's post and discovered that initial paperwork was to be sent to the AABC shortly after Sept. 4. I then refreshed myself of the AABC procedures, recieved the email from the AABC stating that Bethany was not an applicant [at this time], and thus, was then more pessimistic about Bethany's seriousness.

Jimmy, I am glad you mentioned that, so I could set the record straight.

 

LRS

I always wondered about the times (have seen this claim from more than just Fred Williams) I saw someone claiming a Th.M. or Th.D. from Luther Rice Seminary. They do not offer such degrees now, nor have they since my knowledge of them the early 90s. Did they offer such before their TRACS accreditation, and did they have to abandon them for TRACS?

 

FOR BILL GROVER

Hi, Bill,

I see Degree Info is functioning much better now. I emailed Dr. Shuemake and received this reply:

This is all I know. As I stated many, many times, I know this is not sufficient and that Bethany will have to make major changes if it is truly serious about accreditation. Any further questions regarding faculty, qualifications, and accreditation needs to be directly addressed to Bethany.

Thank you Bill.

 

Re: FOR BILL GROVER

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Thanks Jimmy

I wonder why Dr. Williamson's name is not to be found on the Bethany website?

One would think that such an involved person with such great responsibility might be listed in the core faculty section...but he's not even in the larger body of course writers.

But, if you list on the website all those unmentioned profs Bethany must have hidden away, I'll bet old Bill will shut up about that part of his frustration and AABC will accredited Bethany no problemo [just spoofin]

 

Bill, this is not surprising, for Bethany's website is quite static. This is not meant as a knock against Bethany, for there are many college web sites that rarely change. However, this is one thing that irritates me a little.

 

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As grandma used to say, "Put your best foot forward."

 

Re: Re: FOR BILL GROVER

You have a good question. I see many names in the 2002-2003 catalog on the faculty with accredited degrees that are not listed on the website. I do know, however, that the site is not updated as it should be. I will bring this to the attention of Dr. Shuemake and inquire about Williamson's name not being listed. Don't worry about "just spoofin" as you, as I have said in an earlier post, are truly honest and objective in your posts. You even criticized ACCS for things you questioned about Bethany. How much more objective and honest can one be? At least your "spoofin" is not cornpone.

 

Bill, I mentioned this earlier. I see several faculty from LRS declare to have a Th.M and/or Th.D. from from LRS. Do you know what is up with that? I also noticed that the number advanced accredited degrees at LRS seems to have declined since I last checked them out.

 

Jimmy and Bill,
Now you have either confused me (which is quite possible ), or you have both started talking about a Fred Williams as a Mr. Williamson.
Fred Williams is in a picture and his name is listed on this page of the Bethany website.
http://www.bethanybc.edu/divinity/index.htm
Who is the Mr. Williamson (if I am confused)?

 

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LRS did give the ThD prior to TRACS accreditation. There are several well-known individuals holding that degree from LRS as Spiros Zodhiates and Stephen Olford -- if I remember correctly .

Technically the doc is not accredited. But functionally it probably is treated pretty much as one that is accredited. I have not gathered any data to doubt the quality of the old LRS ThD program. I don't know what qualifications back then the profs held or what with what rigor was involved in instruction. My hunch is all would have been proper.

TRACS ,of course, accredits only DMins so would not accredit the LRS ThD regardless of its quality..

 

It's Williams. I just followed Bill's lead. Didn't know you were that influential, did you Bill?

 

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There is a Williamson who is a course writer. Also, I now see, a Williams who teaches [only in the MDiv???], but who is not listed on the faculty page for whatever reason. I do not know what area William's doc is in as Bethany chooses to not divulge such " minor" details. Yet these details have much importance!

But the bottom line is for Bethany to acquire AABC accreditation, the norm is , ALL, not just some, who who teach Bible/Theology must as a minimum have an accredited ThM in Bible/Theology, not in ministry.

 

You are so right. Perhaps when ACCS gets its act together they can be of some assistance to Bethany.

 

Jimmy had said,

That was the Williams I referred to, but I now see the John Williamson, course writer. So, I was just confused. No surprise!
Thanks

 

By the way, is the 2002-2003 the most recent catalogue. For some time in 2002, and throughtout 2003, I have been told that a new catalogue would be "out any time", but it was not forthcoming. I am not even sure if I saw the 2002-2003, but I may be mistaken on this.
You must be part of the select, or should I say "elect"!

 

No, I am not a Calvinist, ha!

 

Now tethering the mother ship.