Difference Between EdS and Master's Program?

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Profesor Anthony Piña, (como estás hermano) or Dr. Douglas.

I have a doubt with the Ed.S degree? I want to know if a person with and Ed.S can teach at Master Level?

What are your experiences in the Universities?

 

Ed.S. versus Ed.D.

It does indeed depend on what your background is and what you need a higher degree for. In my case, a doctorate would have paid me something like $1,800 more a year at my community college. The Ed.S. I did fell into my lap after talking with a professor at the school (Valdosta State) - I consulted with him on the program, then he invited me to be part of the first cohort class. It was a 27 hour program with a thesis. An Ed.D. typically is about 60 or so hours beyond the master's degree. The average completion rate for doctorates in the USA is anywhere from 20% to 50% and can often take up to ten years to complete. A very small minority actually take three years to complete a doctorate. I didn't want to play around with that for year upon year (I tried that in the past). So after my Ed.S. I got an MBA! That is me; I have a reputation for being a bit unusual at my college. Although I am a computer information systems faculty, I also teach speech communication and broadcast news writing. I like lots of different things. To do a doctorate, you pretty much have to focus on an interest. With my background, I have indeed taught grad courses (I have a BA in journalism and international relations, a MA in communication, an Ed.S. in instructional technology, and an MBA with a c.i.s. concentration). Would I ever be invited to teach fulltime at a university. NOPE. Not without a doctorate. That is the "union card" to teach at the university level. But my background is pretty good for a community college professor. And, I make a heck of a lot more money than many of the professors I had at the universities I attended. For the life of me I cannot understand how anybody would go after a doctorate in the humanities or liberal arts with the idea of teaching at a university. I make something like $30k more than those guys. Now, a doctorate in business, engineering, law, or medicine... YES, those are the big bucks at the university level. A good doctorate in a business field and you will have several schools court you and offers of $90k - $110k are not uncommon at AACSB accredited schools. But then you have the tenure nonsense to put up with (publish or perish). Chances are great unless you are a super published researcher you will not get tenure after 5-7 years and will join the band of academics who travel the country every year in search of employment. Kind of a academic gypsy cult, I guess. Tenure at the community college is much more straightforward. I had to teach well, serve on committees, and otherwise be an asset to my college for five years before I got tenure. No research or publishing necessary. Now, once you go the community college route, chances a university would hire you are slim (I have the stench of community college all over me). In fact, 20+ years ago when I was foolishly working on a doctorate, the head of the department told me I would be nothing more than a community college instructor (that is a major slam, by the way, in their eyes). Ha, I always wanted to thank that guy for inspiring me!

 

Absolutamente se puede enseñar al nivel "master" con un Ed.S. The Associate Dean of the campus where I teach posseses an Ed.S. as her highest degree. Another colleague of mine (full time faculty at Cal State Fresno) also has an Ed.S. as his highest degree.

Tony Piña (el Puertorriqueño)
Faculty, Cal State U San Bernardino

 

Ed.S. Degree

The Ed.S. degree seems to be common at Southern and Midwestern universities. In the East the CAGS/CAS/CES seems more common. On the West coast a few private institutions grant the degree but none of the public ones I've found.

There is even a separate academic gown for a specialist degree - I don't know how many institutions use it. According to ACE:

"...six-year specialist degrees (Ed.S., etc.) and other degrees that are intermediate between the master's and the doctor's degree may have hoods specially designed intermediate in length between the master's and doctor's hood, with a four-inch velvet border (also intermediate between the widths of the borders of master's and doctor's hoods), and with color distributed in the usual fashion and according to the usual rules. Cap tassels should be uniformly black."

The gown is usually a black doctoral type without the chevrons on the sleeves.

 

An Ed.S is a higher qualification than a Master's - essentially an ABD degree.

 

Depends on the School - I do at Roosevelt - but then I'm also working on my PhD.

 

Re: Ed.S. versus Ed.D.

I have an Ed.S - en route to a PhD - and I teach at the Masters level.

1. It depends on how you present yourself.

2. Good article on the growing "Professor's of Practice" trend at Universities in the CHE.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Thanks for the information people.

 

Licentiate

One post master's degree used on the Continent is the Licentiate degree. Sounds like this may be equivalent to the MPhil and Specialist degrees. Anyone have any experience with this degree ?