Degree Mills can work for you

Hey Stan. Get over it.

You stuck your head up to be shot at: what else did you expect?

But don't give up. You have a story to tell and tell it you should.

As you've noticed, any defense here of a degree mill goes down like a dose of the clap.

You're not the first one to be treated to the moral outrage.

You don't have to follow this forum for too long to realise the regular posters have a crusade to pursue. And pursue it they do. And do. Yawn. But zeal is not a bad thing (perhaps better than cynicism?) so let's not be too critical of them, eh?

Lighten up, Stan. Fight back with humour, not indignation. Indignation means you lose. No one means anything personal (I hope). Keep teasing us. It's been fun.



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Peter Tucker
Australia

 

Why shouldn't they go down? Legless things don't stand.

 

This will be my last post on this subject. I don't want to beat the dead horse.
I used a degree from a degree mill. It worked for me. Will it work for everyone...doubtful. I got lucky, very lucky. I did get my AA degree from an RA school and will have my BS from a California Approved school. That should be recognized.
Would I do it over again? NO, it gave me too many gray hairs!!!

 

My last post too: if you're in the same company, you still have a potential timebomb. Your initial application and resume are probably still in your employment file. Even if you get a legitmate PhD, JD and MD, they won't erase your file. You still are subject to the timebomb since someone down the road may notice the little white lie.

 

Excellent observation, Peter! The "crusade" involves several criteria:

1. To educate as many as possible regarding what constitutes substantive degree programs.
2. To discourage anyone from pursuing a less-than-wonderful, degree mill, diploma mill, worthless (whatever term one chooses) degree program.
3. To provide a forum which will encourage discussion and highlight the pros/cons of DL.

If even one person is able to "see the light" regarding fraudulent programs, then the crusade will be successful.

As far as the fraudulent associate's degree working for StanMan, it really didn't. He may have gotten the job, but if the degree was sufficient, why did he go on to earn a legitimate associate's? Why waste the time, energy and money, if indeed the fake degree worked. It seems it may have gotten him in the door, perhaps because of an employer who could have cared less, but it didn't suffice in the long term.

Russell,
A Crusader for the Cause

 

Yes, the company could have been at risk because potential job candidates with a real AA may have lost out on the job opportunity. If another applicant had known and decided to fight the hiring decision it could have opened up a can of legal worms.

John

 

Then perhaps the title of this thread should not have been "Degree Mills can work for you"? I don't think it really did since you got gray hairs over it and as Bill pointed out it's still on your resume which means that at any point of time in the future you could be fired for it. Do I think you should be fired? No, I don't think so. But I also don't like the title of this thread.

 

A recent survey done by Australia's recruitment firm Morgan & Banks (part of TMP worldwide), stated that in 67% of the cases they checked, the applicant did NOT have the degree stated - either not the actual degree (not MA but a BA), not from the University stated (not Harvard, but from UCLA), or no degree at all.

I don't think that this would be exclusive to Australia and does raise a lot of questions. Some years ago, a very senior faculty member of a major Australian University, and who was also a leading Federal association member and prominent on TV as a reviewer of federal Government policy, was caught out. He did NOT have a degree from London at all, and the degree he had from Melbourne bore NO relationship to the one that he stated. Yet this guy held a very senior position for many years, was a very effective senior faculty member and teacher, and influential in development of groundbreaking national social policy.

It also raises the question as to the position of a person and the degree that they may subsequently earn quite legitimately, IF the entry to that degree stream is based on a fictional degree. Their entry is clearly fraudulent, but what is the case if their work at the advanced degree level, which can be established beyond any doubt as being theirs absolutely, is of an outstanding standard. Should they be awarded the advanced degree, or not?

They have achieved beyond any doubt the level or work required, but had they not resorted to a fraudulent application, they would not have had the opportunity to prove their competence at this new level.

I currently have one such delicate case to make a recommendation to a panel on.

Opinions of this group would be appreciated either in this forum or to me on

[email protected]

Peter French
Australia

 

I wonder what would happen if the person that hired him left and a new HR guy came in and did an audit of employee files.....

JCAHO (Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations) goes through employee files (among other things

Dan
Whose hospital passed with NO type 1's and a high 90's score

 

Peter Wrote,

"IF the entry to that degree stream is based on a fictional degree. Their entry is clearly fraudulent, but what is the case if their work at the advanced degree level, which can be established beyond any doubt as being theirs absolutely, is of an outstanding standard. Should they be awarded the advanced degree, or not?”

Peter if I understood you correctly, A Guy for example used a fraudulent Bachelor degree to secure admission to let's say New York Law school, and graduated on top of His class, and even passed the state Bar exam at the first sitting with incredibly high score. Now is he Lawyer? , Does he deserve to keep the Law Degree earned?

Well if a bank robber made it out of the bank successfully before getting caught, Should he keep his LOOT? I think not. A Degree earned with fraudulent admission credentials is not well earned and thus not deserved. Similarly a job obtained with fraudulent credential is not to be kept. By the way the 67% figure in the Study you mentioned in your write up is alarming.

Peace.

Timmy Ade joining others to welcome the Stan man to the world of academic excellence. A LEGALLY EARNED AA DEGREE FROM AN AUTHORIZED INSTITUTION,IS MORE HONORABLE THAN A PhD FROM A MILLING OUTFIT.

 

Fumbling through..

While doing a search on ebay degrees, I came up with this old post, and it reminds me of some recent discussions on this board, one noteably about acceptance of St. Regis Degrees at RA schools (atlas1212 posted this, I think). My point being is that the use of any fake degree to get a job is selfish and in serious poor judgement, and how the person who started this post was able to get away with it is very scary.