DBA online program

I don't want to burst your bubble but have you asked prospect employers if an online doctorate from a DETC school would qualify to apply for a CEO position at a Hospital?

 

At the CEO level, a Master's will suffice combined with extensive industry experience. A DBA would be icing on the cake.

In my government role, I work extensively with HR and LMID (Labor market Info. Division), I have never seen a listing, nor have meet an employer who would specify this for example: A doctoral or masters degree will be accepted only if regionally accredited. HR screens their big black book of accreditors, makes sure it is accredited, then may ask the applicant to provide a copy of the diploma or transcripts.

Now, if you are alluding to presitge, well. None of the schools mentioned so far in this thread are Harvard for example. So in conclusion, I believe that at the CEO level, industry experience, coupled with a buckskin and the applicants ability to market themselves in foremost.

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Abner :smile:

 

I don't know about CEO's but I have met with Chief Nursing Officers (CNO) and upper level healthcare administrators with DETC degrees. In addition, I met the president of a RA accredited university that holds a DETC doctorate from Univ of St. Augustine!

I won't mention names for TOS reasons but scroll down to president.

Faculty by Name - Rocky Mountain University of Health Professions

Mission and History | University of St. Augustine

 

I don't think the DETC degree can't hurt but I believe these positions require a proven record rather than academic qualifications.

Education is always good no matter if it comes from DETC or RA schools. However, one must understand that this type of credentials have limitations.

 

Nice!!!!

Abner :smile:

 

My best friend has a doctorate in physical therapy from St Augustine. His DPT was intense and required a lot of clinical hands on work and massive amounts of studying anatomy.
That was a huge party school also. I have some stories but cannot share them here!
The point is that it was a DETC school but is well respected in the physical therapy world. I doubt that online only DETC schools in business have the same level of respect as a b&m like St Augustine.

 

If you browse this forum, you will find many that argue that a state approved, DETC accredited, etc doctoral program helped someone to land a dream job. I'm sure that this kind of things happen, but nobody talks about the other hundreds or thousands of graduates that just spent the money on a degree that was just a piece of paper on the wall.
The market is really competitive, if someone could spend only 15K and do a doctorate part time in 3 years while keeping a social life and full time job and be able to land the same job that someone got after spending 100K and 5 year of full time study at a good school, why the latter programs still exist? Don't you think that the vast amount of population would rather spend 15K and do a doctorate in their PJs in 3 years while they keep earning a full time salary?

 

All conjecture and no evidence to support these opinions! F.S., CEO of FedEx got a C- on his term paper conceptualizing FedEx. Look where he is today! The individual has to know how to run a profitable business. People look at quarterly earnings not degrees! The fact they graduated from XYZ school of business means zero!

BTW, The president of this RA school has a Doctor of Health Science not a DPT! Looks like he got his PT from a different and RA school!

 

So why would you want to join to familiy of business graduates if you think they are so useless? The fact is that companies are still asking for MBAs, CPAs, CFAs, etc. They are not perfect but it doesn't mean that they don't hold any value.

 

I'm sorry, I take that back, we can blame this whole economic mess the US nation is in on MBA's CPA's, CFA's and JD's from supposedly top notch universities. You're right! It does mean something! It means that a Harvard MBA can screw up an organization just as fast as a DETC one! :evil:

 

A DBA from a DETC school is not questionable in the real world (outside academia). The issue with a DBA from a DETC school comes when the degree is obtained online from an online-only school. Online-only schools have a perception problem. Many look down on a doctorate degree that is obtained without any face-to-face contact as fake or illegitimate.

They ask: how is the school sure of the person that is conferred the degree? How are they sure that the real person is the one taking exams and writing papers? etc. I hear these questions alot, and in my opinion, they are valid questions and the answers rarely convince those asking.

That is one reason that ACICS accreditation, for example, demands that their schools have and maintain a physical campus; degrees from NA schools such as those accredited by ACICS are seen to be legitimate in the real world, compared to those from online-only schools that carry the perception that such "degrees are sold (by companies operating out of office spaces) and bought by students looking for short-cuts," all online.

 

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Abner :smile:

 

Any degree earned online used to be deemed as less than, at one time. If someone from California is attending an online program from a B&M college, any HR person will be able to figure out that the degree was earned online. Why? Because the person may have been working in Calfornia, while stating he earned his degree from Boston, for example. Not rocket science. Does the fact he earned online make it less than? In the end, it is up to the owner of the buckskin to set himself apart for success. You can have a Harvard grad not succeed for the simple reason of having a crappy personality for instance. How many ivy league grads do we read about working as baristas?

I think your comments are pure conjecture.

Abner

 

There are various RA accredited schools that have no physical campus. Walden, Capella, Northcentral and Trident to name a few. I dislike using the term "Online schools". That is what makes the school sound Mickey Mouse. These are accredited schools using distant learning modalities including the internet, live video conference, conference calling, videos, DVD's and so forth to teach with. Big deal!

 

Dont forget these schools are "self-learning" schools. No Exams/Quizzes/Live-classes in any of the 'Online-only' schools. None of them send out lecture DVD's or post lecture videos online or have conference calls or online-live-classes. I would call them the new .EDU schools or the .COM schools (Similar to the .COM's of the past - most of them went bust). They can also be called as Message-board schools as about 30% of the grades is based on discussion forum participation in many of the above schools. Again NCU do not use Discussion Forum and no student-student interaction in any form. I still think these .COM schools have a long way to maturity.

 

I was told by Walden for instance that they have DVD's sent to students to watch recorded lectures from faculty. In regards to exams, how do schools measure academic performance without them? In any case, the context of my response post was about the acceptability of a DETC doctorate degree. We all assume that the RA degree is the "gold standard" even though these schools get away with the things you mentioned. Odd that everyone turns a blind eye because they are RA but if one graduates from a DETC school, somehow the degree is inferior?

Like I've said before, I have never attended a DETC school or any of the RA schools above mentioned but if it suits me, I will certainly consider it! I've done google searches on the reviews of these schools and get mixed results varying from "stay away" to "great program". I guess distant learning isn't for everyone!