CSU is hiring!

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by recruiting, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. recruiting

    recruiting Member

    Columbia Southern University is hiring adjuncts, all kinds of adjuncts!

    The thing is everyone of those positions require a doctorate degree.

    Adjunct/Contractor Job Openings at Columbia Southern University - Columbia Southern University

    They do have physical staff positions available (bachelors) as well. Buy you have to live in BAMA!

    Is a Doctorate usually required to become a Professor? I know some of you perform in the capacity on the side so I thought I would post this info.
  2. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    abundance of doctorates earned from online-only schools would typically lead online schools to require them. i wonder if they'd hire a holder of their DBA
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, but....

    It takes a doctor to make a doctor. Thus, schools shy away from too many of their own doctors making other doctors (and masters and bachelors). The use of outside academics increases the legitimacy and diversity of the process. Still, schools hire some of their own. (You grow up in their system and are doing work they want/need, for example.) And sometimes they hire someone they want without the doctorate and have that person take a doctorate in-house.

    I once asked National University about teaching as an adjuct. (My MBA is from National.) They said it was their policy not to hire their own graduates, but if I "covered" my MBA with a doctorate from another school it would be fine. I mentioned my Union doctorate and they said "come on in!" (I didn't for other reasons.)

    Union had (and probably still does) a policy that Union graduates can't serve as adjuncts on learners committees until at least 5 years after getting the Ph.D. Thus, I served on several committees (before and after I graduated), but as a peer, not as an adjunct professor. (Things over there have changed a lot since that time.)

    So if I'm CSU, I don't want a bunch of CSU DBA grads on the payroll. It looks too much like a bunch of people getting together and agreeing to call each other "doctor." They know that and likely wouldn't allow too much of it. But that's okay. With DETC-accredited schools passing out doctorates like lollipops at the barbershop, CSU DBAs will find plenty of opportunities.
  4. mattbrent

    mattbrent Well-Known Member

    During my early ventures into online graduate school, I was taking courses for Virginia Tech's Instructional Technology program. Every one of the instructors I had (5 of them) had just earned their doctorate from Tech in the last year. That was a good 7 or 8 years ago, so I'm not sure if it's still that way or not.

  5. Koolcypher

    Koolcypher Member

    Lol, quote of the year! :saevilw:
  6. Gbssurvivor1

    Gbssurvivor1 Member

    :zx11pissed:It has been my experience that that is a fairly common practice. Just as I have seen several schools refuse to accept students who completed their Masters at the institution for the PhD program at the same institution. I suppose some universities have an odd issue with the whole nepotism feeling thingy... I know... it is odd... With that, higher education in general can be odd... I guess it is the way of academics...
  7. recruiting

    recruiting Member

    I have a side bar question to my OP.

    "With DETC-accredited schools passing out doctorates like lollipops at the barbershop"

    Where can I find qualifying information on this statement? I'd be interested to see the difference between RA and NA Doctorate award rates. If this is in fact the case why do you think this is happening?
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    There's very good reasoning behind it. It helps the school from getting too insular in its thinking and practices. It brings in new blood and new thoughts. If a school or program is having problems, outsiders not brought up in the culture might spot warning signs. Lots of reasons.

    Two modern, non-academic examples: first, the Pope thingy. Who decides who's going to be the next Pope? The College of Cardinals. Who appointed all of the current voting members? The last two Popes. (And the two of them were partners for along time and were hardly different.) And from where will the next Pope arise? The College of Cardinals, natch. Expecting some new ideas and directions with the next one? Don't count on it. What will break the chain?

    Second example: the U.S. Civil Service. Back in the late 1970's, the Senior Executive Service was created. They took a bunch of GS-16's and -17's and made them "executives," despite not really being prepared to perform strategically as executives do. And to this day, who decides on new appointments to the SES? Other members of the SES! And the beat goes on....

    No, schools are doing themselves a favor by bringing in new blood. Sure, retain a few of your in-house favorites. But unless you have a specific cause (like the online program at VA Tech described in an earlier post), get new people in the door.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's because the DETC opened the doors to awarding doctorates a few years ago. The doors became floodgates and we now see quite a few schools (including some big ones like the two CSUs and CCU) in the doctorate business. I don't think the numbers are available, but given that (a) their doctoral students and graduates are hardly active participants in their respective academic disciplines and (b) the number of DETC-accredited schools awarding the doctorate went from 0-to-s**tload in just a few years should tell you a lot.
  10. recruiting

    recruiting Member

    So that's a fairly new practice, that I did not know. That is unfortunate because of obvious reasons - too many Doctorates diminishes their value.

    As I mentioned in a few recent threads, I struggle or struggled with the NA accreditation situation that plagues the DE world. However the program I am taking from CSU is 110% on point in my newly chosen profession. I Personally I would not go for a Liberal Arts degree from an NA school, only due to general transfer-ability. I NOW believe, and I am sure it's been like this for a long time, that NA schools have quality education, it's just given to students differently, with less Liberal Arts classes. There are many RA schools where I see tons of complaints (on that online college rating website) with respects to rigor, quality, and poor instruction.

    I found out that Liberty University (another Masters program I was accepted to recently) takes CSU NA credits in transfer and that made me happy. Honestly, I like Liberty, it's a big name, and if one can get past the religious implications in some of the classes It's a great place to go. However they did not have what I needed program wise - so they were out. Had I gone to Liberty for a Masters it would have been a "Just to get it because it's an RA school" situation and a "not what I need for my profession" situation. That's a bad scenario for everyone concerned.

    I believe Liberty is dual accredited, yes?

    Anyway Rich, thanks for the info you helped my to understand my question.

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  11. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Member

  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Awesome. I hope it continues to be what you hope and expect.
    You're welcome. Peace with you, too.
  13. Gbssurvivor1

    Gbssurvivor1 Member

    These are all great points as usual and I agree with all of them... except when they prevent me from getting where I want to go... LOL... Nonetheless, nepotism can be a very bad thing....

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