Century and CCU?

I have never heard of anyone doing less than 5. On KW's pub forum the least I have seen posted is 5 while the most is 9. I think that may be a little more accurate than your information.

When it comes down to it, CCU, Century, KW, and PWU are state approved, and unaccredited. One year ago they were all being called degree mills here by some, and now because of rumors of two seeking accreditation their standing seems to have changed. What are the minimum at Century, and CCU? Do they offer experience credit?

 

Hi

CCU has always been considered near the top of the state approved schools. The others you mentioned are all seriously questionable. Literally all of them have in some way(often many ways) tried to mislead potential students and the public. Once an organization does that it is hard to see anything else they do as being legitimate.

 

Rich - I have to take exception here with a couple of points. I otherwise agree with you. Full time MBA's typically require 60 credit hours, typically take over two academic years (or 1 year plus a summer). While some part-time MBAs are awarded with 36 hours - almost all of these have pre-req requirements (in things like Accounting, statistics, etc.) that have to be met. With an undergrad in business - you can get a part-time MBA with 36 hours. With an undergrad degree out of field you may be looking at more like 50-54 hours.

As for MBAs with less than 36 hours - I'm not convinced you'll find one. Some schools, like Central Michigan, award a Master of Science in Administration (MSA) for 30 hours.

Regards - Andy

 

I attempted to get a catalog but they refuse to send one to California. Unlike most universities, they do not print any of their academic information on their website. Doesn't this tell you something about their poor reputation on this forum.

 

Plumdog: " I attempted to get a catalog but they refuse to send one to California. Unlike most universities, they do not print any of their academic information on their website. Doesn't this tell you something about their poor reputation on this forum."


Cehi: This is not totally accurate regarding the printing of academic information from their site. If you follow the link below, you should be able to peruse and print some information. Although, their 2002/2003 catalog on the site still include their doctoral programs. My assumption (hey, assumption is the mother of all screw ups) is that they have not pasted their new catalog that contains their new program on their website. I would agree with you if you have characterized CCU as careless for not updating their web site to reflect the current programs that they now offer. Thank you.

http://www.calcoast.edu/request_info.html

 

KW does not send catalogs to California. CCU tends not to do weird things,

 

cehi,

I would never speak for anyone, but I think plumbdog may have been speaking about KW.

I believe KW can not accept California students among other states. CCU can accept students from anywhere.

If I am wrong... sorry plumbdog.

Mike

 

1. plcscott wasn't registered a year ago.
2. It's been rare that CCU has been called a degree mill on this forum.
3. The word degree mill is poorly defined and most everyone has a different use for the term.
4. Your insinuation that people have flip-flopped their opinion of these schools, I believe is your own wishful thinking to try and further your own position by insulting others.
5. Saying that KW is state approved is really stretching it, IMHO. Wyoming does not do inspections and has absolute minimal regulations to even be enforced, one of the least in the whole country. KW has fled 3 states to avoid any academic oversite. Your continued painting of KW as state approved is carrying on KW's own misleading advertising and I feel is dishonest.

 

And, if I may,

6. KW recently added Oregon to the list of states from which they will not (because they don't like being sued/going to jail/additional consequences) admit students.

If they were not a degree mill, they would have already sued the State of Oregon. Any legitimate school would. This is what makes the Oregon list so useful, in my opinion. While there may be problems with it, you can be assured that any real school that is on the list would be actively working on getting off the list. *If* they are not a degree mill, that is.


Tom Nixon

 

1. You do not have to be registered to read postings on this forum.
2. It has been called a degree mill though, and to some all the unaccredited are degree mills.
3. You are correct, and my definition, and yours are out of phase.
4. When have I insulted someone? What position am I trying to further? If that is not the pot calling the kettle black I do not know what is.
5. You may not like it and may totally disagree with it, but KW is state licensed to grant a degree.

And, if I may,

6. Is KW the only one on this Oregon list that has been discussed in this thread? That is right, NO. If the Oregon list is a list of degree mills then why are we discussing any of these schools.

 

1. Do the search and search even older than one year. (see number 4).

2. True, I believe that is a reasonable position although I don't hold to that position myself. On the other hand an unreasonable position to take (in my view) is one that if a school is state licensed and requires some work then the degrees are perfectly legal. This is a very weak position to take for four reasons.
A) Schools that were state licensed in the past have been proven to be degree mills in a court of law. I dare even say that most degree mills taken to court and found to be degree mills were in fact state licensed to operate.
B) Many degree mills proven in a court of law to be degree mills required some work for their degree. For example, Columbia State University required a paper to be done for their degrees.
C) There are standards established for the different degrees. When someone tries to pass off a substandard degree as if it were standard they are being dishonest. The institution was dishonest in granting the degree and the user is probably being dishonest when he uses the degree.
D) The degrees are apparently illegal to use in Oregon and some other states.

3. Agreed. Please see my response to 2.

4. You said, "One year ago they were all being called degree mills here by some, and now because of rumors of two seeking accreditation their standing seems to have changed."

Point out one person on this forum that has apparently changed their position on these schools over the past year. You said that people have flip-flopped on their position.

The position that you seem to espouse is that KW is a real school. The example of doing this in this thread is you put the degree mill K-W in the same category as unaccredited schools that are being reviewed for accreditation. The obvious implication is that someone like me (and the Council on Higher Education) has been calling K-W a degree mill for the past year, next year K-W too may also be accredited.

5. State licenced from Wyoming does not mean that the school is not a degree mill. I submit K-W as the perfect example that proves that rule. K-W is so far below the academic standard that it is well within many interpretations of the term degree mill. K-W, in my view, deceives in the way that they market themselves and their degrees.

6. I'm not sure what you're saying? I haven't called CCU a degree mill. I admit that I'm suspicious of Century but I don't believe that I've called it a degree mill either. If you're refering to the fact that CCU is on Oregon's list then I hasten to point out that CCU IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT, they're trying to get acreditted.

 

My alma mater requires 36 units. If you don't have a recent AACSB undergrad, they can require *up to* 5 more courses.


Tom Nixon

 

cnovick: "cehi,

I would never speak for anyone, but I think plumbdog may have been speaking about KW.

I believe KW can not accept California students among other states. CCU can accept students from anywhere.

If I am wrong... sorry plumbdog."


Cehi: I thought Plumdog was describing CCU. Thanks for the correction. My many apologies to plumdog, if he was describing KW and not CCU. Thank you.

 

Cehi,

I was refering to the opening of the quote above my statement, which refered to KW. It was not stated in reference to CCU. I should have been more clear in my response.