Cchs

I love Indiana, AND Lutherans.....

My location or former location has nothing to do with where I go to school now. I have absoluteley nothing against Valparaiso Law School. I stayed in Indiana, and still have connections with Indiana. I love the state. But, the fact remains, I don't go to Valpo Law. And I never said that I did. I attend a similarly situated law school on the east coast.

Gregg lists Northern California as one of his locations. Should I draw the conclusion that he is a student at Northwestern California Law School because he lives (or may have lived) in the area?

And let’s not talk about credibility. At least I list a brief outline of my education in my profile. That’s more than I can say for you and Gregg.

 

Not an answer to my question, but do let's talk about credibility, my son

Ok. So you didn't go to Valpo Law. I did not say that you did. I said it was a possibility. What you did do was list Valparaiso as your location. Why do you deny this now? I don't get it. You may impugn my credibility and that of Gregg DesElms if you wish. But you didn't answer a simple question that does indeed speak to your own credibility. Instead, you offered a belligerent distraction. I simply don't understand. Enlighten me.

Janko Preotul

 

Speaking of ignorant....

Please re-read my first and second posts in this thread. I never denied any connections to the area. I simply stated that I am not a student at Valpo Law.

I actually have pretty strong connections to Indiana. I never said otherwise.

 

Here are the facts... read them carefully...

Here are the facts of this situation:

On September 8, 2005, username uncle janko asked username Busho4: "So you're not at Valpo any more?" Yes, I know that, to the new reader it appears that it was username Casey of whom uncle janko asked that question, but I'll explain all that in a moment. Just stay with me here...

The reader should know that "Valparaiso" is the name of a small city in Northwest Indiana. There is a brick & mortar (B&M) university there, Valparaiso Universtiy, that is owned and operated by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LC-MS); and on the campus of which there is also a first-rate, ABA-approved law school. Just as a parenthetical aside, there is also a magnificent, contemporary-design chapel there that was designed by the same architect who designed the LCA (now ELCA) Lutheran church in Gary, Indiana (about 23 miles West of Valparaiso) where I was a member from my early childhood until well into my adulthood. But I digress.

To locals in and around the city of Valparaiso, the word "Valpo" is a shorthand way of referring primarily to the city, but sometimes also to the university. A local will say, "I live in Valpo" or "I'm from Valpo"; and a student at the university will say, "I go to Valpo" or "I'm a student at Valpo."

In the question, "So you're not at Valpo any more?" uncle janko used the word "at" (rather than "in") in front of the word "Valpo," suggesting to any reasonable person -- and most certainly to any local there -- that he was asking Busho4 if he was still attending Valparaiso University (as opposed to asking him whether or not he was still living, staying in, or visiting the city of Valparaiso, Indiana).

On September 9, 2005, Busho4 correctly, in my opinion, interpreted uncle janko's question to be asking if Busho4 was still a student at Valparaiso University; and he responded with an unambiguous denial of ever having been a student there.

But he (Busho4) then voluntarily added a comment that was responsive to a question not asked, to wit: "I stayed with friends in IN and MO for a while back in the mid-90's...". Taken in context, a reasonable person would interpret this as indicating that, in addition to his never having been a student at Valpo (Valparaiso University), Busho4 had not, since the mid-90's, even been in Valpo (the city of Valparaiso, Indiana)... or even in Indiana, at all, for that matter.

This confused me because from near the end of April of 2005, through the entire month of May of 2005, and into June of 2005, username Busho4 had "Valpo" in the "Location:" field of his profile here at DegreeInfo. The contents of a given poster's "Location:" field are displayed just beneath said poster's "Registered:" field, and just above his/her "Posts:" field, along the left edge of the screen in every one of his/her posts here at DegreeInfo.

In May of 2005, I first noticed "Valpo" in Busho4's "Location:" field and I PMed him about it, expressing my pleasant surprise and pointing out that I considered Valpo part of my old stomping grounds; and thereafter began a brief, friendly back-and-forth via PM and email between me and Busho4. However, whatever "friendly" feelings I might have had toward Busho4 were strained (not broken, mind you, but at least strained) by some of his strident exchanges here in the ensuing weeks and months with me, with Rich Douglas, and with others. As someone who can be strident himself, I never let it bother me too much... but some of what he wrote suggested to me things about him and his beliefs -- but, most importantly, about his sense of fair play -- that I wished weren't the case. I confess to being further irritated (not angered or made terribly upset, mind you, but just a little irritated) with some of Busho4's posts in other fora, as well.

So, when Busho4 suggested, in the aforementioned post, that he not only didn't attend Valparaiso University, but also that he had never lived in, or stayed in, or had even been in the city of Valparaiso since the late '90s, I remembered the word "Valpo" in his "Location:" field back in the Spring; and our brief PM/email back-and-forth about it, and I challenged him about it in my post in this thread on September 16, 2005. The tone of that post, I confess, was negatively colored by my disappointment in the person, viewpoints and behavior of Busho4 that I had observed over the summer. And, yes, I characterized what Busho4 did as a lie... because I knew it to be one. He never claimed to have been a student at Valpo (Valparaiso University), that's true; but he most certainly, in the "Location:" field of his profile here, for a little over two months, claimed to be in Valpo (the city of Valparaiso).

Thereafter, no one posted to this thread, and it went dormant for over two weeks. It had even fallen completely off the first page of thread listings in the "Distance Learning Discussions" forum.

Three days ago (at this writing) on October 5, 2005, username Casey bumped the more-than-two-weeks-dormant thread to the top of the thread listing by responding to my September 16th post. Though he had been Busho4 when the thread went dormant, he reappeared here as username Casey when he took issue with my post.

Only an administrator here can change a username, and there are many legitimate reasons why a member here might ask an administrator to do so. So I will neither ask, nor, as a moderator, will I permit anyone else here to ask Casey (formerly Busho4) why he wanted his username to be changed. If he wants to explain it, that's his business, but if he doesn't, that's his business, also... and I will permit no one in this thread to confront him about it. But that's not the issue here. I mention it only because when I first received, on October 5th, the PM from Casey to which he referred in his October 5th post, it took a minute or so for me to get my mind wrapped around what the heck was going on. My comments had been to Busho4, not someone usernamed Casey... so it threw me for a loop for a bit. But I soon figured out what was happening.

I did not respond to Casey's PM, but I was taken aback by its anger, name calling, and expletives directed at me for suggesting, in my September 16th post here, that he was lying; and his demand that I delete said post. In that PM, and also in his October 5th post, Casey repeated his denial of ever having been a student at Valpo (Valparaiso University), which I never suggested; and he also repeated his tacit denial of ever having even been in Valpo (the city of Valparaiso) since the 1990s, which I did suggest... but only because Casey had, back when he was Busho4, the word "Valpo" in the "Location:" field of his DegreeInfo profile for a time in the Spring of 2005; and also because I vividly remember the brief PM and email exchange I had with him about it at the time. Clearly, however, he did not remember those things.

On October 7, 2005, uncle janko posted here and pointed out that he, too, remembered that the word "Valpo" was once in Busho4's "Location:" field in his profile; and he (janko) then went on to bolster the credibility of that recollection by recounting thoughts he had at the time about persons he saw at the Valparaiso University library, and wondering if, perhaps, any of said persons could be Busho4. It obviously impressed him that, according to Busho4's "Location:" field, it turned out that someone from DegreeInfo was right in his back yard. His reason, therefore, for even noticing the word "Valpo" in Busho4's "Location:" field, and then allowing it to become memorable, was much the same as mine. uncle janko then went on to opine as to why he thought maybe Casey (formerly Busho4) might have wanted to distance himself from any association with Valpo (the university)... but that's not really relevant to this recounting of the facts that I'm doing here, so I'll move on.

In Casey's first post of October 7, 2005, apparently having finally remembered placing "Valpo" into the "Location:" field of his DegreeInfo profile for a time last Spring -- back when he was Busho4 -- he softened his denials and limited them to not having ever attended Valparaiso University... something of which I, at least, never accused him; and he conceded that he "stayed in Indiana, and still [has] connections with Indiana," thereby vindicating me, and relieving me of having to do any post deleting or accusation retracting, as Casey had asked me to do.

Also on October 7, 2005, uncle janko then asked Casey, in effect, to explain why and how all this happened; to which Casey, on that same day, in the post immediately preceding this one, repeated the softened version of his denials and, by the brevity of his post, suggests that he'd like it left at that.

Fine. I agree. The subject of this thread is CCHS. I suggest, as a moderator, that any further posts here be on that topic, and not Valpo. I'm not saying that any posts not on the CCHS topic, or which continue the Valpo topic, will be deleted or the thread closed or anything like that. I'm just suggesting that this Valpo thing really isn't getting us anywhere and that it's all probably better left alone at this point. The facts are what they are. If we all stop posting about the Valpo thing right now, this thread -- unless someone posts about CCHS -- will become dormant again, and sink into oblivion, and all will be forgotten... which is probably as it should be.

Okeedokie, everyone? Let's just let it be, now.

 

And really, what is the point of whether this guy stayed 'in' or 'at' or 'under' or wwent 'through' Valpo or whereever this one horse town is?

This seems to be irrelevant to the post. But then again, who is moderating the post?

 

First, you mean the "thread," not the "post."

Second, take issue with the subject matter all you want; but do not take pot-shots, just for pot-shooting's sake (or for any other reason, really), at moderators or administrators here... or anyone else, for that matter, now that I think about it.

 

I thought the original post was about CCHS?

As to the other subject, I speak for myself, but perhaps others, when I say "nobody REALLY cares."

 

'Valpo' was totally irrelevant to the thread and this irrelevancy was quickly turned into another unnecessary attack on a poster.

A pot-shot at the poster, if you like...

 

Okay, fine. Talk of "Valpo" or "pot shots" or anything related thereto, or not related to CCHS, is now off-limits in this thread. Clearly, for some people, a mere suggestion just won't do.

Back on-topic, folks. Please.

 

it is TOO on-topic

There once was a lady from France
Who shouted "Vive l'Independance!"
For changing the name
--CCHS' game--
put her in delirious trance.

 

There is a man in Milwaukee

of rhyme, salty and porky

He says is a fool who pays for a school

with name taking a walky

 

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