Black history is not taught well

"Progress", unfortunately, can be reversed (if only temporarily).

 

As for admixture...(on eggshells here) I'd think it self-evident to anyone familiar with the sheer variety in the appearance of any fairly large group of African Americans.

 

My take as well. It's as if this huge sleeper cell was awakened by the threat of equality amongst our citizens.

They tolerated the changes in the law brought by the Civil Rights and Women's movements. They took it when affirmative action and diversity movements took hold. But I believe the trigger of electing a Black president made them realize that it was real, not merely a distraction, and that diversity and equality were coming to threaten their privileged place at the top of the heap. And, frankly, we're seeing the depths of these sentiments now.

This isn't a political take; it's a sociological one. And politics won't fix things that are so embedded into our society. That's on us as a people.

 

Nooo...they DIDN'T tolerate the Civil Rights movement in the 60s. Some "white citizens" took violent action including murder. But they lost those battles. The war is still going on.

 

Excellent points! I agree we saw some racist backlash to Obama being President. We got Trump and Trump encouraged more racist backlash. As Martin Luther King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice." I hope we see Harris elected so we see some more bend toward justice. If Trump is elected rest assured we'll see more backlash.

 

"They" is a big word. Yes, there was some resistance. But, for the most part, things advanced. Until late 2008, of course.

 

Yes, things HAVE advanced in ways that would be extremely difficult to undo.

 

I think they've had some significant success, turning things like affirmative action, DEI, and CRT into taboo topics, unleashing hate and normalizing it (see Springfield, OH), and converting the Republican Party into a White supremacy convention.

 

I used to believe that until we got our current Supreme Court lineup.

 

From what I understand, the Haitian Revolution didn't influence slave revolts in the U.S. because most of the enslaved couldn't read, so they didn't know about it. In fact, the Haitian Revolution was the reason why laws were officially passed to keep the slaves from learning how to read and/or write. Most of the slave revolts in the U.S. were home-borne and not influence by foreign affairs.

 

Untrue. Otherwise, many (if not most) white men would be guilty of beastiality, by their own beliefs. Not acknowledging someone's humanity isn't the same as not believing they're human.

 

The bend toward justice won't even start until an American Descendant of Slaves (ADOS) president is elected. Neither Obama nor Harris are ADOS and that's why they're electable. They have no ties to America's slave history and that works in their favor.

 

The point is that slaves were not considered equal. Sorry if I used what you consider inaccurate terminology. Subhuman rather than not human then.

I don't believe that. For example, I have to assume that Kamala's father had slave ancestors. Just not American slaves.

 

If such an individual comes and is a great candidate because of merit, and achievements and happens to be ADOS, then great.

Education if done the wrong way will create divisions, in our modern time, we have those too many already.
Teaching history is important, but in a way that will ensure that it's not creating "enemies" between the students.

 

I don't think not being ADOS led to their electability. I think them being multiracial led to their electability. Technically, African Americans are multiracial, but they're around 85% Sub-Saharan African, on average. I've read many studies on how Americans and people in the Americas, in general, have a racial hierarchy that influences their decisions. When it comes to job interviews, biracial people are perceived as being more intelligent than monoracial Black people. They're also seen as being more physically attractive than monoracial Black people.

We saw an example of this when Biden made his...interesting comments about Obama being well-spoken, good looking, bright, and clean. Obama's White ex-girlfriend, who he wanted to marry but didn't because of his political aspirations, said that her parents didn't take issue with her dating a "Black" man because they saw him as White. Obama was electable because he was "articulate," "spoke White," was raised by White people, and has a lighter complexion.

Thomas Jefferson also wrote that mulattoes were superior to Black people because of their partial European ancestry. To this day, the only "Black" woman to have won best actress (not best supporting actress) at the Oscars is a biracial woman.

More on the racist roots of colorism. You can also throw texturism in there because it was and is also used as a clue to how much non-Black ancestry a person has.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/deib-explorer/files/the_persistent_problem_of_colorism.pdf

 

There's another issue here, too. There's such a thing as an African American accent that white people are very attuned to identifying. That accent, in many of us white supremacy folks, is a trigger for discrimination even if we aren't aware of what's happening.

Just another nasty thing we need to be aware of and fight when it comes up.

One can't just decide not to be a racist. I'm not sure that can be done at all but we CAN be aware and fight it in ourselves.

 

That is true, but second generation Black Americans and half Black people raised among African Americans also pick up the African American accent. A lot of rappers from New York are of Caribbean descent, and no one would have known if they didn't say anything. A rapper who goes by the stage name of 21 Savage emigrated from the UK as a child, but everyone thought he was born and raised in the South until he faced deportation. He sounds like any other Black person from Georgia. I, on the other hand, am African American, but I do not have a blaccent because I grew up with Hispanics, and my mother's side of the family went to predominantly White schools.

There are multiple attributes that are discriminated against. Another one is having a non-Anglo name, especially a stereotypical African American first name. I came across a white hiring manager who said that she throws out the applications of those with Black-sounding names because she knows they're going to be ghetto with a bad attitude.

https://www.bowdoin.edu/news/2023/11/employers-discriminate-against-job-applicants-with-black-sounding-names-study-indicates.html

 

White Americans probably, on the whole, don't know the difference. But, trust me, black people in America do. It's a whole thing. We call it the "Diaspora Wars". It's not really a war, but there are some strong opinions on all sides.