Applying Graduate Credits to an Undergraduate Degree

There was definately a difference in my doctoral courses. And they didn't give a damn about the money.

Your statements are discreditable to your doctoral institution. I hope its not the case. If this is the perception of the institution's students, what value should employers and academic institutions place on their degree?

 

Have you taken classes for the masters at NCU as well as the PhD courses to compare?

 

I believe most schools will not accept credits, or only a limited number, if they have been used to earn a degree.

 

Randell,

I did not have to taken to compare them. But when NCU offered the accounting specialization(now is gone for the master level) the description and class number both at the doctoral and master's level matched(found this a bit strange).When I saw that situation I tried to double dip and asked if I could get awarded and MBA in Accounting(this was a test)if you remember there was another member here that did the doctoral specialization and was offered two options; a CAGS or the MBA and he took the MBA.

Anyway, my adviser told me they don't do that anymore( I know he was not telling me the true but), not big deal, it did not hurt to ask. Now I see they changed a little with the number and description but still very similar http://www.ncu.edu/academics/courses.aspx?degree_program_code=MBA&dp_version_id=9&dpro_section_main_id=40 and http://www.ncu.edu/academics/courses.aspx?degree_program_code=DBA&dp_version_id=9&dpro_section_main_id=34. I took several classes at the master's level and then took them again at the doctoral level and yes sir they are the same thing. Pass them with my eyes closed and one had tied behind my back.

 

Foobar from where is your doctorate?

Anyway, that is my observation and experience since I have taken many, many, many, master's level classes at many,many,many, places and as well doctoral classes. So, I know what I am talking about. At the doctoral level is a right of passage. Maybe that is the reason many schools abroad only base their doctoral degree on research and no course work is necessary (does it makes sense?).

 

The famous discussion about the CAGS or the MBA:
http://degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=28663&highlight=CAGS+NCU

 

I agree, at least for engineering, and I believe for other subjects. Engineering MS and Ph.D. programs often have courses common to both degrees. For example you can check out Indiana MS and Ph.D. requirements here:
http://www1.indstate.edu/tech/academics/masters.htm

 

My accounting Ph.D. is from a US RA, AACSB-accredited third-tier school (3rd-tier in business, 1st or 2nd tier in some other disciplines) whose name most people on this board will know.

I prefer not to reveal the name in an attempt to preserve my anonymity on the web.

My doctoral-level seminars were taken after completing 15 hours of graduate-level "tool" courses in stats, microeconomics and econometrics. I would not have had the slightest chance of being successful in my doctoral seminars without them. Mind you, these tool courses assumed that you had the master's level background in stats and economics from an MBA or MS in Accounting.

The Ph.D. is a research-oriented degree. In fact, I learned very little accounting in my doctoral program - I learned how to understand and conduct accounting research.

Conversely, an MBA or MS in Accounting at the master's level is a practice-oriented degree. The courses should not be the same.

 

You basically narrow it down for us, since there is not many schools with PhD programs in accounting. Specially, in the distance learning arena.

How is that will reveal your identity? Would you care to explain?

I was talking about the coursework and not the research element of the degree.

You are correct, PhD are oriented to research and not the practice. That is why you did not learned much in the concept of accounting.

Same with the DBA vs PhD whereas the DBA is practice oriented and the PhD is research oriented. The course should not be the same but my experience and reality dictates the contrary. Maybe this is one taboo, people do not want to address or talk about.

 

My undergrad is DL. My masters and doctorate are not.

Most AACSB-accredited Ph.D. programs in accounting graduate no more than one or two students a year. The name of the school and inferences from some of my other points would definately narrow it down.

In most B&M accounting programs the coursework is all about research or the tools needed to do research. The exception - some of the courses for my doctoral minor were masters level courses.

Let me be clear - we were expected to have a complete grasp of accounting before we entered the program. Most students in my program were CPA's (myself included) or Chartered Accountants. Some students entering the program with just MBAs were expected to take additional masters courses in accounting as "remedial" courses.

I think you will find that your experience does not reflect the reality of AACSB-accredited doctoral programs.

 

That will change, just sit an wait.

I would say that is about the know where to find the information and applying to real life situation. If you can research and find it but do not know what to do it with, then the research is not a practical element for many individuals.

That is the expectation but not necessarily the norm. I have mentioned before because some people have a license to practice a profession, does not mean the use common sense and logic.

Well, AACSB accredited school is another issue that does not reflect the real situation of most school out there. And most employers in the private sector (this is where soon or later you will end up) and government jobs will not care if the school is AACSB accredited as long the darn degree is accredited,it will be significant of course if you (they) intending to work in academia(this horse has been beaten beyond death).

 

This is the answer I got from Ashworth College in reference graduate transfer credits:

Then they gave me a list of classes that will not be able to challenge by examination. About 10 courses. The fact is that I have enough credits to transfer 45 units for an associate degree and 90 for a Bachelor's degree but those credits were not even considered, due to they indicated that if credits are older than 10 years they will not be considered. Reasoning for submitting my graduated credits from UIU and CSU. UIU was not even considered. A big note here is that Ashworth College will not even do an evaluation of credits if you are not enrolled with them, same practices as Penn Foster College.

Anyway, I was able to transfer credits to a new degree from previous work with them, change concentration for $50.00 take another semester without charge took 5 classes (finish all 5 classes in a month, because I already knew the subject), free of charge so I am left, if I decide to continue with 7 more courses to finish an associate degree. So, my standing right now is 39 credits done for the new degree and or overall 45 credits I can transfer out. But I am still thinking about it.

I am still waiting from the other DETC school, but they did wanted to have all of my credits and indicated at least verbally that they would consider them both graduate and undergraduate credits, I will hold them to their word because my wife was able to transfer credits with them from different sources.

 

My employer required an AACSB degree to get tuition reimbursement. I think more of industry is looking into professional accreditation, due to the huge amount of schools out there now.

 

Agree to the extend that if someone is footing your bill, they are entitle to request conditions for that reimbursement. Otherwise, that seems to be unreasonable. Unless of course you are talking about some online school that Intel decided not to endorse.