Antifa Calls for Revolution

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  1. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    I know. But he did do a turnabout here. It's like someone flicked a switch to have everyone on the left suddenly condemning Fa.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Interesting...

    How to spot Russian propaganda online – THE STATE TODAY

    It appears that Russian bots are actively forcing discussion of "Antifa" and making them a thing. Hmmm...

    Now, it doesn't mean Antifa itself is Russian pawn. The most likely explanation is that they support whatever narrative hurts the US the most, and curry favor with the alt-right crowd it hopes to continue using. But... remember that the Kremlin and pro-Russian interests has used street thug groups (in Russia there are "youth movements" like Nashi or the Young Guard, government-controlled far right and "religious" groups, "Putin's bikers" Night Wolves, Chechen leader's private army credentialed as police and Security Service of the Chechen Republic etc.) and false flag operations, and has access to truly tremendous sums of dark money. I often thought that Vladimir Putin is perhaps the only person on Earth who can personally decide to bribe someone with 1 billion dollars, and have untraceable accounts set up within one business day. It's not a secret that he bankrolls fringes in Europe, far-Right and far-Left alike.
    Look at the Wikipedia page about the group. It jumps from the group's alleged roots in 1930ies through 1980ies, then directly to actions in 2017. Nothing contradicts the idea that we're seeing a new group posing as "Antifa", or using its brand. You don't suppose this "Antifa" is actually... ?
     
  3. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Who needs Russians? Here's Pete Hamill from 1968: https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/05/05/pete-hamills-eyewitness-account-of-robert-kennedys-assassination/

    The race baiting:

    -It was the sort of place where Puerto Ricans, blacks and Mexican-Americans usually work to fill white stomachs.

    The hate on America and Americans:

    -We knew then that America had struck again.

    -It was just another digit in the great historical pageant that includes the slaughter of Indians, the plundering of Mexico, the enslavement of black people, the humiliation of Puerto Ricans.

    -While the cops made chalk marks on the floor of the pantry, the brave members of the National Rifle Association were already explaining that people commit crimes, guns don’t (as if Willie Mays could hit a homerun without a bat). These cowardly bums claim Constitutional rights to kill fierce deer in the forests, and besides, suppose the niggers come to the house and we don’t have anything to shoot them with? Suppose we have to fight a nigger man-to-man?

    -America the Beautiful: with crumby little mini-John Waynes carrying guns to the woods like surrogate penises.

    The gun did it:

    -Yes: the kid I saw shoot Kennedy was from Jordan, was diseased with some fierce hatred for Jews. Sam Yorty, who hated Kennedy, now calls Kennedy a great American and blames the Communists. Hey Sam: you killed him too. The gun that kid carried was American.


    Any of this look familiar?
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Meh. Putin is way, way more dangerous than some journalist. The quotes are nothing one couldn't hear in some Toronto (and, I assume, San Francisco) hip coffee shop, either. These guys do make great "useful idiots" though; Sputnik+ Radio is stuffed with them.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't think that's fair. The ACLU lost a lot of donors because they defended the right of the white nationalists to demonstrate in Charlottesville. The ACLU of Virginia Facebook comments are a bloodbath right now because they stood on their principles.

    Yes, the ACLU has always ignored the second amendment, and that's a pock mark on their record, but that doesn't mean they're inconsistent on the rest of the Bill of Rights, sometimes even to their own detriment.
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    But this was in 1968 and nothing has changed.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    One of the great things about US is that there's willingness to openly discuss uglier sides of things. It makes for much more dynamic society. Of course, some people get lost in this and end up with very biased perspective, or cross over to harming the country and becoming tools of its enemies (useful idiots).

    One thing I noticed is that America's fiercest critics are not as free from American exceptionalism as they think. While regular jingoist maintains that his country can do no wrong and is the very bestest, on a flip side America can do no right and is on the wrong on every issue. I mentioned I tried to read a Chomsky book on the subject of foreign affairs once; gah! for a genius, he sure is biased. American influence is always oppressive, ignoring the fact that local satraps and regional evil empire wannabees can commit atrocities just as well (usually, much more so). This is a ready made mindset for a useful idiot. Snowden, digital privacy zealot, seeks refuge in Russia - a country that has no digital privacy and there's an actual law against using encryption to prevent the state from reading your files and correspondence. Assange, government transparency fetishist, collaborates with, again, Russia, a spy dictatorship.

    Major change in this scene is the extent alt-right stepped into US-bashing game; this used to be the province of nutty Left. Right useful idiots now outnumber left ones. Also, while in 1968 the local latte revolutionaries would be egged on by the KGB and Red China in the name of global Communism, nowadays the same spy rings use similar methods with the ultimate goal to keep their masters wealthy and in power. There's no global Communism mirage; just the imperative to keep the world screwed up enough so that the crooks can feel secure. This goes for Saudis also.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

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