Anchor Babies (Birth Right Citizenship)

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by NorCal, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    Well heck, why stop there? Why not the 2nd amendment as well? After all, with the exception of the 14th can you think of an amendment that has caused more confusion than this one?

    (please note the sarcasm)
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You kid, but there are a lot of people who want a flag burning amendment because they find that pesky first amendment allows just a little too much free speech.

  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Someone mentioned something about the political left needed to do something regarding immigration reform. I'm not all that politicly aware but isn't this almost exclusively a political right issue? The right tries to blame much of our financial woes on illegal immigration. I bet if we looked at the financial facts it would debunk such a position. I would guess that it is but a insignificant fraction compared to our military budget, for example. I'm not questioning that reform shouldn't be done. I'm just questioning if the problem is really worthy of all the emotional capital that is being generated on the right using this as a catalyst?
  4. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I get what you are saying, you look at the big picture and it seems small. For some reason the world feels the US should just let everyone in, it’s not hurting anyone, right? Like I said above many of the people that would respond to this post are married to immigrants or are immigrants. I was right, but I would like to add some people are not from boarder states. The effects of immigration as a whole are small on a global scale. The effects on local economies are not small to the people living with them. The issues come up so often it is a major part of a conversation with almost anyone locally. Pilgrim’s Pride a main employer in my area, are getting fined by the government non-stop. It does not stop them because the fines are lower than the cost of having to hire Americans to do the work. In the last five years they went from paying $12 and hour to $8 an hour and dropped health coverage. A trip to our local ER will open your eyes. They treat the county ER like a doctor’s office.
    If I hear one more person saying they do the jobs we won't do I'm going to scream. They deflated wages nonstop in the construction industry and the repair industry. They alter the balance of demand to need. We you have 100 people to every one job then pay goes down. They do the jobs we used to do because they work for a wage most Americans cannot work at. We have homes in the US were the cost of living is hirer, they have homes in Mexico were the cost of living is way lower. My local news had a segment on the other night about white and black males standing in front of the day labor pick up spots. That’s been going on for the last year here. We have one of the highest unemployment rates in Texas where I live, yet all you see are Hispanics working. I put my app in at a plumbing company; plumbing is what I used to do. A few years ago Texas began to offer the exam in Spanish as well, and will recognize document experience from other countries. Well needless to say that killed the trade right there. Wages dropped like a rock. I learned all of this while I was talking to a service manager of a plumbing company I put my app in at. As I was told there were no jobs right now I watched guys walking by me speaking Spanish loading up to go out to jobs. So I have no job, but illegals can come here and undercut the pay of Americans and people are like that's OK! Let's give 30 million illegals amnesty, it’s only fair.
    If you are not born to one American parent on US soil unless your parent is in the Military, you should not be a US citizen. That’s my over passionate two cents.

    p.s. I am also tired of seeing jobs that say bilingual only. It seems like a growing trend in Texas. Most white and black Americans don’t speak Spanish so that leaves the jobs open to only Hispanic people. I was at the ER the other day with my mother in law and there was not one single white or black person out of the 30 people working in an area that makes up admission for the Hospital, not one.
  5. raristud

    raristud Member

    "Like I said above many of the people that would respond to this post are married to immigrants or are immigrants. I was right." - Actually, the only reason why I posted was to respond to your comments about being married to an immigrant. You were right in hindsight.

    " I am also tired of seeing jobs that say bilingual only. It seems like a growing trend in Texas. Most white and black Americans don’t speak Spanish so that leaves the jobs open to only Hispanic people" - There are many white and black people who are hispanics. I would assume you mean white and black non-hispanics. Yes. There are jobs that require bilinguals. That is true and it's not right. I did a quick search and I found job descriptions that state "bilinguals required". Most of the jobs that I found stated "bilingual preferred" or "bilingual plus". I once consulted with an education attorney in regards to a private school's refusal to accept my child on the bases non having significant language proficiency in a certain foreign language. I was pissed off and I didn't leave quietly. My reasoning was that the private school was holding classes at a public school using our tax dollars. The attorney disagreed. Such is the nature of the beast.

    As to hispanics in the workplace, there are businesses that I go to that have no hispanics or blacks, that I can perceive. I went to the ER a few years ago and I saw no Hispanics or Blacks working there, that I know of. My doctor is from Asia and her practice had no hispanics that I know of. I have been to various departments in my former university that had predominantly black and white non-hispanics employed. There is a large hispanic community around this university. So I'm not sure what to think of your post.
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  6. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Where are you located?
  7. raristud

    raristud Member

    In the east coast.
  8. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Bingo.............Your comments do not mean much then.

    How do you live in the East Coast? That was a joke, don't get
  9. raristud

    raristud Member

    LOL. If you say so. You are correct in your restatement of the grammatical. Congratulations. On the east coast. Just to clarify, what do you mean by bingo? I just disclosed a broad area of the United States. Are my comments invalid since I don't live in Texas? Oh, my wife and I are thinking about moving to Texas. Careful, I may take your job since I'm bilingual :cool:. I was kidding. Don't get mad. :D
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  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    As a hardcore eastcoast kid I can say without fear of contradiction that there is a large (and growing) population of Latino peoples just about everywhere. Puerto Rico, the DR, Bolivia, Peru and yeah, even Mexico. To my way of thinking, this is just the latest wave of immigration into the USA. My people came here on a boat with no papers (none needed) and we worked our way up the ladder just like every other racial/ethnic minority group.

    I know that maybe it's impossible to just open the gates and let everyone in but that's how my family got here. They just walked off the boat and scrapped for a living. If restrictions are to be made then the criteria become most important. Who gets in? From which countries? Also, if I lived in Mexico (or someplace south of there) and I thought that there was a better life for me and my family then I think I'd probably become an illegal immigrant - cross the border in the dead of night and do whatever I needed to do to get by - get a job, stay under the radar, send money home, etc. I'd do whatever I had to do, regardless to the law. Knowing that about myself it's difficult for me to take a hardcore stance against illegal immigrants. It's hard to condemn someone for doing something that you can imagine (under other circumstances) doing yourself.
  11. zanger

    zanger member

    You're wrong. Immigration was very strict in the past and never before was immigration so open during a period of high unemployment.

    In addition, many people's ancestors did not come as immigrants. For example, the east coast was part of Britain, so the people arriving from London were moving from one part of the British Empire to another. Same for the French of Louisiana, their ancestors were not immigrants they were annexed during the Louisiana purchase.

    What is happening now is an actual takeover of Mexico of the southwest. The immigrants are even given preference for jobs over Americans in what is called affirmative action.
  12. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Thank You!
  13. zanger

    zanger member

    Mexico has very strict immigration laws. These Mexican illegals crying about their human rights violations are the same ones that want to keep out immigrants from Guatemala. There are millions of Somalians that would like to immigrate to much richer Mexico, but Mexico forbids it.

    You say that you can't take a hardcore stance against illegal immigration because they are doing what you would do, but not quite since they do not want to open their border like you want ours open.

    I say we should treat the Mexicans the way they treat the Guatemalans.

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  14. zanger

    zanger member

    They were not children of diplomats. The point is the "anyone born here is a citizen" is a lie. These kids were born here and they are not citizens.
  15. zanger

    zanger member

    Below is a quote by Cicero that explains the people that want America to have open borders for trade and immigration. We now are the 2nd industrial nation, down to 15th in per capita income, and we are losing a war against primitives in Afghanistan. All this nonsense the nation embraced will destroy the nation and the experiment in freedom will be a failure.
  16. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Zanger- Me and you are going to be best friends, your posts are spot on.
  17. raristud

    raristud Member

    From the late 1800s to the early 1900s, after the 13 colonies declared their independence from Britain in 1776, there was mass immigration in comparison to the days of British colonialism. "The tidal wave of Swedish emigration began in the mid 1840s, when the first organized emigrant groups started to arrive in New York. These farmers destined to Iowa and Illinois were followed during the period up to 1930 by almost 1.3 million countrymen" The effect of this exodus from Sweden reached its climax around 1910, when 1.4 million Swedish first and second generation immigrants were listed as living in the U.S. Compare this to Sweden's population at the time: 5.5 million.

    "Historians estimate that fewer than 1 million immigrants – perhaps as few as 400,000 – crossed the Atlantic during the 17th and 18th centuries.[66] Relatively few 18th-century immigrants came from England: only 80,000 between 1700 and 1775, compared to 350,000 during the 17th century."

    After 1820, immigration gradually increased. From 1850 to 1930, the foreign born population of the United States increased from 2.2 million to 14.2 million. The highest percentage of foreign born people in the United States were found in this period, with the peak in 1890 at 14.7%

    Immigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    American West - European Emigration

    Many of our ancestors arrived as immigrants and Swedish immigration is only a small example.
  18. raristud

    raristud Member

    The Naturalization Act of 1870 restricted all immigration into the U.S. to only "white persons and persons of African descent," meaning that all Chinese were placed in a different category, a category that placed them as ineligible for citizenship from that time till 1943. Also, this law was the first significant bar on free immigration in American history, making the Chinese the only culture to be prohibited to freely migrate to the United States for a time. Even before the act of 1870, Congress had passed a law forbidding American vessels to transport Chinese immigrants to the U.S. The reason behind the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was to prevent an excess of cheap labor.

    I'll throw this out. Should immigration be restricted to white persons and persons of African descent?
  19. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    We don't need to change things, let’s start by enforcing what we have then we can look at some changes. But no, we should let all people come here legally! The fed's intentional understate the immigration numbers to make the problem not look so bad. The state of Texas and Arizona estimate the real numbers should be around 30 million in the US. That’s 30 million people doing some type of work to get by. Heck Obama just allowed 2 million Haitians the right to start working. Thanks Obama thats 2 million more people who get to work and compete for US jobs...arggg
  20. raristud

    raristud Member

    Cicero was passionate and a constitutionalist, but he was also prone to shift with the political wind and had a tendency to shout about, like John Mccain! He was a well educated roman and skilled in the areas of political thought and law.

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