Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by CCBapt, Oct 9, 2008.
Have there been any outcome studies comparing the career successes of B&M vs. DL MBA grads?
Your criticisms seems to be volatile not constructive. And to add to the formula unfounded. I am involved with them alright, but I try to keep it objective and report what it is(first hand experience and not speculation). But the question will be, what is your real take on AJU?
I am going to NCU and they do not have the tuition program that AJU has, so what that tells you?
Well, that's just silly. I have done nothing of the kind. I gave the original poster the option of going with AJU for an MBA and then going outside the U.S. for a doctorate. I also recommended a couple of RA schools.
AJU currently works best for me, but I don't try to drown out criticism or talk anyone else into enrolling. That's a personal choice that everyone needs to make for themselves. I have been enrolled with AJU for all of two weeks. I have nothing to gain by making anyone else feel one way or the other about the school.
As a matter of fact, I actually did consider AJU more than two years ago, and gave it very serious thought, but went with Penn Foster College. Cost was a consideration in my transferring to AJU, but so was the fact that they had the program I actually wanted (Communication).
If you're trolling for an argument, you won't get anymore out of me. This line of dialog is going nowhere.
Works for me. However you want to put it.
I think I gave it already. It's a marginal system in terms of its reputation and one that is unlikely to help anyone land a lucrative job. But it is an accredited degree of sorts so it may help someone who already had the experience a job required.
I don't know how else to put it.
And you base this on what? What is your expertise to come to this conclusion?
Do you have a lucrative job? Are you solvent?
I have a very lucrative full-time job and I'm very solvent (as if that's your business). I also hold an MBA from an AACSB school and a CPA license.
And I came to the conclusion because I know how business works and why MBA graduates earn a lot and it has a LOT to do with alumni networks and recruiters holding the school in good to very good regard.
Again, if you want to pretend that AJU will be taken with the same sense of accomplishment by people making hiring decisions as would a degree from a state school or specifically an AACSB school, you go right ahead.
But how about you skip the personal stuff.
How did YOU come to the conclusion that AJU would help anyone make a significant career move. Did you speak to a graduate? Did you review post-graduation placement statistics? Did you speak with a placement counselor from AJU?
These are things many people do when evaluating an MBA.
So far what I gather, as like Terry mention before you are trolling you way here. My business is my business and mine alone. I don't care about yours and you should don't care about mine. But I don't need to work two jobs to make a living because I don't live beyond my means. The CPA exam is a systematic exam that if you repeat and practice you can pass it without the need to go to AACSB school as you claim to graduated.
Then don't ask about my business. You started it with your 'Are you solvent' BS.
Seriously dude. My opinion of you is that you try to 'shout down' anyone who disagrees with you. If I'm a troll, IGNORE ME but allow me, and others, to express themselves.
That's not too hard to do.
My Point exactly!
Yes, you are correct trolls should be ignored!
Even you can do that!
My 2 cents
Ok, I'm going to weigh in here...
FWIW - I have an MBA from a AACSB institution which I earned in an evening MBA program. I am currently enrolled in a DL doctoral program, and I was an adjunct instructor for AJU for around two years.
1. I don't care what DL program you are enrolled in; but it is my opinion that you are on your own. In other words, the networking is limited. I'm NOT saying that networking is nonexistent (I have a few relationships with Capella alumni/learners), but for the most part, you are on your own.
2. I believe AJU is a good institution. The materials were first rate, and as a faculty member, I can attest that the work required rigor. You will learn a good deal if you choose to do so. I taught, among other courses, MG 671 - Strategic Management. The course required a capstone project which integrated business knowledge in a real life situation.
3. I am the division chair for a small community college in Wisconsin. I sent the link for the free tuition offer to the adjuncts who do not have masters degrees in business. I want to see them upgrade their credentials - and yes, AJU is an inexpensive option. And yes, we did the homework, you can teach with a DETC degree. The Higher Learning Commission only requires that faculty have one degree higher than the course being offered. As an institution, we are encouraging all of our faculty (including adjuncts) to have masters degrees because it helps in developing articulation agreements and 2 + 2 programs.
4. That being said, if you are considering a career in higher education, I would strongly encourage earning a RA degree. I would also argue this holds if doctoral studies are in your future. Are there doctoral programs that accept NA degrees - you bet. However, search the job listings at the Chronicle's web site. Most job postings require at a minimum, an RA doctorate, and for the "big schools," an AACSB doctorate for business.
I won't get drawn into any pi**ing matches over this, because I believe that for many, AJU is a great option. However, if doctoral study and/or teaching in higher ed is the ultimate goal, a potential AJU student should identify where he/she wants to teach or complete doctoral studies before AJU enrollment.
Best of luck with your continuing education and career.
See this is what you call substance and elaboration with experience and no speculations. Thanks Shaw for your candid response.
Thanks Shawn. That does hellp a great deal. It also clarifies several issues that I have been weighing over the time of the post.
Good article. Thanks Terry.
It amazes me how frequently this topic is debated. I am a HUGE fan and suporter of national accreditation and based on my personal experience with both RA and NA institutions, I have found the rigor of the NA schools I have attended equal to or greater than the RA schools I have atended. For this reason I believe that credits earned at NA schools should be readily accepted by RA schools in transfer. I also think that NA degrees should be treated as equal to RA in the public workforce. However, the world doesn't operate based on what I think or believe. The fact of the matter is that if a student is looking for maximum utility, RA/AASCB is #1, RA is #2, NA is #3, period.
There are tons of RA schools that accept NA in transfer and there are tons of employers that accept NA degrees and there are tons of true accounts of NA graduates going on to accomplish great occupational success. I have enjoyed a tremendous amount of business success at an executive level without a degree at all! Those truths however, don't change the fact that the overall utility of a NA degree is more limited than its RA counterpart, and a RA degree is more limited than its RA/AACSB counterpart (in the business and academic world anyway).
In summary, the quality of a NA degree is not inferior to that of a RA degree as some might suggest, but its utility certainly is. That does not mean that a NA degree is not worth earning. It just means the student should be aware of the potential limitations and roadblocks that may exist down the road.
For less than $28,000 you can even earn a AACSB accredited DL MBA/MSM from Texas A&M - Commerce or even Online MBA from UMASS.
These schools require GMAT, except TAMU at Commerce can waive the GMAT if ones meet their GPA criteria.
I agree with everything with Pug said, but I'll add a caveat: I don't think the limitations are as extensive as most people on the DL boards believe. There are transfer issues between NA and RA schools, that's a given. However, inroads are being made on this issue every year. On the job front, unless you need some kind of professional license to perform your job, RA or NA is almost a non-issue. I think what holds back NA schools more than accreditation is lack of name recognition, and the perceived inferiority of "online-only" schools.
For less than $10,000 you can earn an AACSB DL MBA from JSU...can't beat that...
good perspective for an mba
MBA dont need to be expensive but well structured.AJU is well structured and offer some flexibility .Obviously is about costs in these uncertain times.
AJU give an overall perspective of the business environment and offer some specializations in Operation management, human resources and finance.
It is a good start for people who want to improve business skills for a small cost.
An MBA is an MBA and is accredited detc and by the state.
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