AI & Coding... A new era...

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by AsianStew, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    That article is (mostly) paywalled, but nobody ever brings up the military when we talk about bootcamps. Bootcamps are often intended as 40-hour-a-week endeavors that collapse the amount of training time into months when it would normally take years. In a similar vein, Advanced Individual Training (AIT) in the military are often 8-hour-a-day school houses where you do nothing but focus on the task at hand. Some programs are shorter (e.g. language school is usually 4-6 hours a day) but then you make it up with homework.

    Clearly the military has found a way to teach everything from Blackhawk mechanics (15T) to nursing (68C) to bomb disposal (89D) in an accelerated format. What is the civilian side missing? Maybe it's supply and demand, or maybe it's some kind of accreditation process so that employers know that you know what you're doing. Or something else entirely.
  3. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    I sometimes use,, or to deal with those.

    Personally, I never saw it any reason to take a boot camp like that. There are so many resources online to learn especially with all th MOOCs, and when it comes down to it, having a portfolio on something like that is going to be the best thing along with some testing by the potential employer or a temp placement agency. I agree with the article though the AI is going to make it easier to do a lot more and a lot less time meaning there's not going to be the need for the same amount of people unless business is really start expanding from the AI drastically quicker.
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I needed to write an automation script, play book for new integrated module.
    I used AI and got 90% of the playbook generated for me, I modified it tested and that was it.
    AI-generated playbooks may offer some level of automation, whit manual review and validation we must to ensure their reliability and security.

    Or as ChatGPT would say, “Welcome to the wonderful world of AI! It’s like the Wild West of technology, where the robots are the sheriffs, and the algorithms are the outlaws. In this post, we’ll be taming the AI beast and teaching it to do our bidding.”
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  5. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    That article is available here:
    I agree. However, I believe that many of the people who attended a coding boot camp did so also because of the advertised job placement rates. I always thought that these numbers were a bit high, and based on what this article says, I was probably right.
    It also seems to me the skills that a junior software engineer needs will change a lot with AI. Coding boot camps need to adapt their courses accordingly.

    But I see a legal problem that is mostly forgotten. If an AI generates code, who owns the copyright for that code? I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think the user of the AI becomes the copyright owner.
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  6. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    I'm sure we have some attorneys on here who could answer this better than I could. However, the last I saw it seemed like people could not copyright artwork based on the work of others, and I suspect person it would not be able to copyright AI generated code based on their own code if using an AI generator that they did not also own the rights too. I think the real question is if a person owns the rights to an AI generator and generates from their own content... could they then receive copyright?
  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Not being a lawyer, I think the answer to the first one is that code created in a vacuum would not be copyrightable but that using that code alongside an entire program might be a sufficient transformation or derivation of the code segment to qualify.

    For the second one, setting up the initial machinery for a copyrightable image was found not to confer copyright so I assume the same applies to building an AI that generates things for you - if someone else can even prove that it did.

    Counterpoint to my own thought above: in 2019 a lawyer and programmer named Damien Riehl created a program to brute-force create music, with the goal of creating every melody that could be.

    He produced 471 billion melodies covering every melody that ever exists and ever could exist in the future, and copyrighted them all. Then he released them in the public domain, to prevent people from being able to sue for accidentally using the same melody in someone else's music.

    So in conclusion: I have no idea :D
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  8. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    But isn't the point of that article that soon large parts of the work done by junior software engineers today can be done by AI? What if, for example, 60 or 70 percent of an app was generated by an AI?
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's a fascinating "Ship of Theseus" style problem that the courts will no doubt have great fun exploring.
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