Ah, Texas Republicans...nuts as always

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    According to NPR, the official Texas GOP platform includes an outright denial that Biden won in 2020, a claim that any gun control at all violates the 2nd Amendment, and insisting that Texas should hold a referendum about seceding from the Union. Texas, the GOP claims, reserved the right to secede. Apparently the Civil War didn't happen?

    Some part of me thinks getting rid of Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton might be worth a little disunion.
     
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Whatever --- but we're NOT taking him back. (Canada)
     
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  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, no. He can stay within the confines of the world's largest lunatic asylum.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Washington, D.C.?
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Bigger. Much bigger.
     
  6. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Is not everything Bigger in Texas?
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    TX secession is just elections year talk.
    Texas, which broke away from Mexico in 1836 was a republic from 1836–45 before it was annexed by the United States in 1845.
    Civil War established that a state cannot secede, establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.

    The same talk during or after elections - as if there is MAGA election in Nov, there is talk that CA. OR, and WA to secede.
    But who will let them? There are military and shipping ports and all of this TX and others just election year thing as federal government has the final say in these issues.

    In 2017
    More than 60 percent of California voters went for Hillary Clinton — a margin of more than 4 million votes over Donald Trump.
    Since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat, the state become unhinged over President Trump’s unexpected election.
    “Calexit” supporters bragged that they will have enough signatures to qualify for a ballot measure calling for California’s secession from the United States.
    Californians talked about the value of the old Confederate idea of “states’ rights.”
    They whined that their state gave far too much revenue to Washington and got too little back.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The difference between Texas and California movements to become independent is that it is more a part of Texas culture versus the fact that in California it really isn't.

    quote:
    In the wake of Republican nominee Donald Trump's winning the 2016 presidential election, a fringe movement organized by Yes California, referred to as "Calexit"—a term inspired by the successful 2016 Brexit referendum—arose in a bid to gather the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a secessionist question on the 2018 ballot. In July 2018, the objectives of the Calexit initiative were expanded upon by including a plan to carve out an “autonomous Native American nation” that would take up the eastern part of California, and "postponing its ballot referendum approach in favor of convincing Republican states to support their breakaway efforts." "Yes California" was founded by Louis J. Marinelli, a New Yorker who moved to Russia, and was supported by the Russian government.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_California
     
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    BTW, Louis J. Marinelli, the founder of Yes California, was a Republican not a Democrat.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the latest news raised in TX because of upcoming elections.
    TX has history of both calls for secession and division as well.

    CA as a very large state and economy has history of attempting partitions, NCAL, SCAL or Tri state CAL etc.
    In 2013 there was a proposal submitted to split California into six new states. For short time CA was independent republic that seceded from Mexico.

    Wikki on CA State
    Founded in 2015, California National Party (CNP) is a political party advocating a pragmatic platform.
    The CNP also seeks, as a long-term goal, the secession of California from the United States by legal and peaceful means.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Likening this to the Texas Independence movement is very stupid ridiculous Nonsense.

    I live in California. I never heard of this party. There are zero CNP representatives or senators that hold office or ANY office for that matter.

    quote:
    2020
    In August 2020, the CNP endorsed Scott Schmidt for Los Rios Community College District Trustee (Area 7). Schmidt won 37% of the vote, but was defeated by opponent Tami Nelson.

    2021
    Main article: 2021 California gubernatorial recall election
    Party chairperson Michael Loebs ran as a replacement candidate in the 2021 recall election. Loebs received 25,468 votes, which was 0.35% of the statewide vote. His best performance was in San Francisco, where he garnered 1% of the vote.[32] The CNP considered Loebs's candidacy an overall success, stating that it will continue to endorse "No party preference" candidates and urging members to register more voters.

    2022
    The Los Angeles County chapter of the CNP formally endorsed two candidates running in the Long Beach City Council election, Carlos Ovalle for District 7 and Steven Estrada for District 1.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Why one has to liken it to TX.
    Seeds were sawn in CA, we will see if we hear from Calexit or similar in the near future.

    In my opinion it depends on who wins the elections.
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Because Texas TRIED it once.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    That was before civil war.

    On February 1, 1861 TX became the 7th state to secede.

    Seven states out of 15 that planned to secede —South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas—left the Union before Lincoln took office (After Abraham Lincoln’s election to the presidency in November 1860). Four more states—Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas—waited until the formal start of the Civil War, with the April 1861 firing on Fort Sumter at Charleston, South Carolina, before deciding to leave the Union.
    The remaining states where slavery was legal—Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri—never mustered the necessary majority for secession.
     
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  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, Lerner, and if you believe that the "right to secede" isn't deeply embedded in the current Texas psyche, you don't know anything at all about Texas!
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    That raises a point: States have cutures of their own, I think, being defined as the "self image" the majority of the population subscribes to. I do think that the strength of that cultural identity varies widely but Americans in general DO identify with their states and always have. My own natal State of Washington has a very strong self-identity centered in the Western third around Puget Sound. (Eastern Washington also has a strong identity of opposing absolutely everything Western Washington stands for and rage about not really having a voice in State government policy). California? Enough said. But in my experience, no one has anything like the strength of cultural identity held by the average (white) Texan. It is an amazing (and dismaying) thing to behold.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think it's a card that is being pulled during elections, to rally voters, Yes as long as I live in the US I hear about TX secession.
    So I'm not surprised when the issue rises, especially during elections.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You were the one that was likening California to Texas. Nosborne is absolutely right about Texas independence being ingrained in Texas culture. I would characterize it as unique Texas pride. I'd guess that if state pride could be measured, Texas would win it hands down.

    Your stated opinion is not really an opinion. It is more accurately called a prediction. Nope. That doesn't mean it won't be one of the lies spread on Fox, Newsmax or OAN though depending on who wins the election.

    I watch about a couple hours of local news each week. I don't remember them ever talking about California becoming independent. I don't remember that ever being discussed anywhere except here. Also I did most of my schooling in California and Texas. State independence was occasionally a topic in Texas, never in California. I do remember a time or two there was discussion about breaking California up into multiple states on the local news though.
     
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  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes. Northern California proposed calling itself "Superior California ". Of course they did.
     
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