Accreditor Puts American InterContinental U. on Probation

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  1. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    The Chronicle of Higher Education

    Wednesday, December 7, 2005

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    Emphasis mine

    I am not a student of AIU nor have any desire to become one. Thought others here may be interested.
  2. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    This is a prime point of example that solely reflects that accreditation can still hold less than desirable schools within their realms.
    However, a good sign is that the accreditation has taken steps to initiate a probation when problems seem to occur, which is why accreditors are a good important decision for degree seekers. They can control quality and consistency within their delegation and oversight.
    AIU is a expensive program and from experience, uses a true telemarketing and sales tactics approach to anyone even remotely seeking them as a possible alternative. Must have had a ton of calls from them almost to a point of harassment.

    It will be interesting to see what takes place.
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Sorry, but I can't ignore the delicious irony of a Breyer State student talking about less then desireable schools.....:D
  4. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    I wish I could post the entire article here but must respect the wishes of the moderators. Since this appears to be a serious issue I added a little more so those without Chronicle access will have additional information. At this point in time I was unable to find any articles on Google or Google news.

    The Chronicle of Higher Education

    Wednesday, December 7, 2005

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    Emphasis mine
  5. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    My thoughts, exactly!

    So what's up with that, back2cali? You do realize that you're enrolled in a notorious diploma mill, right?

    And your "...accreditation can still hold less than desirable schools within their realms" sounds like millspeak. What's up with that?
  6. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Obvious millist. That's what's up with that.

    A point that the millist chooses to avoid, of which escapes him/her/it entirely, is that real accreditors have sanctions which they can impose upon a problem-plagued school. The school can either shape up or ship out. (DI regulars will recall exactly this happening to the lamented ACCS in Oklahoma City; TRACS was the NA accreditor.)

    The millist also sets up an obviously ridiculous straw man--the idea that accredited schools are immaculate, blameless, and problem-free, either in reality or in the eyes of those who are responsible enough to say that real accreditation is a good idea.
    Neither is the case.

    But unaccredited schools swim in a dismal swamp of irresponsibility, being answerable in most cases to no one at all and to nothing other than greed or vainglory. The handful of ethically and academically appropriate unaccredited schools--and their students--must contend with the imputation of an undeniable reality (of most unaccredited "schools") to them, however unfair that might be.

    In sum, let AICU have ever so many problems. If it fixes them, it shows that (real) accreditation quality control works. If it doesn't, and receives further sanctions or loss of accreditation, it still shows that (real) accreditation works.

    All the ice cream school has to show for itself is a sticky mess.
  7. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Amen, preacher. Amen!
  8. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    Back2cali went Back2Alabami. My state approved degree will meet my current and future needs and thus will allow my consultant relations and added marketability within the various sectors under state funding to initiate proposed projects within these sectors. I have found my program to be of a high level of quality thus far.
    Again, thank you for your various points of view. It is appreciated.
  9. Tim D

    Tim D Member


    Breyer State is accredited, by the Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools:rolleyes:

    The same accreditors that accredit the prestigious Canyon College.:D

    I know the regulars realize this but I will state it for those who do not frequent DI.

    State Approval in the State of Alabama has NO meaning academically!

    Also I was being sarcastic! IMHO you are better to attend the unaccredited Hamburger University (Yes, The McDonalds Managers Training course) then the schools I have mentioned above! If you have any questions about US accrediation look here:

    Now that this thread has been totally hijacked I will attempt to redirect it back to its original purpose AIU.

    SACS is known for its rigor, it was one of the reasons some were surprised when AIU went for SACS in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised to see AIU to pull up its stakes a move to an NCA state. People who have been paying attention around here might suspect this could be coming because the reasons listed have been some of the same criticisms of AIU for some time.
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Serious could you possibly know what your future needs will be?

    Just curious....from what other schools do you hold degrees, to have a basis of comparison?
  11. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Back2Cali would be well advised to commit to memory, and regularly update, a list of those states where any use of a Breyer State degree is a criminal offense, subject to find and imprisonment. "Any" means using it in any public way, from business card to letterhead to sign on door, etc. I believe the number is up to 10 or 11 now.

    If "Cali" refers to California . . . that is a state that has not yet taken such action . . . but I can report that getting California to do so is the highest priority of the newest member just appointed to the Board of Advisors to the state Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education.

    (That would be me. Go Arnold.)
  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Now that is power:cool:
    Congrats on your appointment...would that be they way it is said?
  13. aic712

    aic712 Member

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  14. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    Dr. Bear...are you now a political appointee? The humanity !!!:D

    I thought you had to be outfitted with a single digit I.Q. and a nose warmer (cold nose in the rear sucks) to reach that level.

  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Schlamperei über alles in Westösterreich

    Congratulations on your appointment as Hofrat, John.

    You might want to read Musil's Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften to get the hang of it.
  16. Oherra

    Oherra New Member

    For obvious reasons, I am hoping that AIU takes the probation status seriously. I was hoping to hear that the warning status had been removed not upgraded to probation. I spoke with several persons in AIU's administration back when they were first placed on warning and they seemed to be diligently working on making changed to meet SACS requirements.

    As a former AIU student, I found the program rigorous and I put a lot of work into it. However, I cannot deny the fact that there were many students who did not put in the same level of effort and yet they too seemed to pass. This was especially evident in the group project aspect of each class.

    I choose AIU because they had a campus in state, worked with my state HOPE Scholarship, and they accepted 100% of the credits from my nationally accredited associate degree. To this point, the degrees I received at AIU have served me well. I have seen professional advancement at work and have earned extra income by starting a rewarding career as an adjunct at my local technical college. I now find myself hoping against all odds that AIU does indeed retain their accreditation.

    * Edited to also add my congratulations to Dr. Bear.
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  17. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dr. Bear
    "(That would be me. Go Arnold.)"

    Go Dr. Bear!!!
  18. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Excellent! We'll be looking for some exciting things to come from the BPVE. I hope that you'll keep us in the loop.
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member


    I LOVED the image, "...swimming in a dismal swamp or irresponsibility..."

    But perhaps you are being to HARSH. I'm just SURE WAUC would be willing to enforce its standards wherever those standards are being seriously compromised... :D

    Dr. Bear,

    I like the Governor. Unfortunately, whenever I speak in praise of ANY Republican politician or policy, it appears to be the kiss of death.

    I favored Social Security reform, immigration reform, and Harriet Meiers.

  20. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Congratulations, Dr. Bear!


    This is wonderful. The great Dr. Bear takes the bear state by storm!

    May your tribe increase.

    May the real enforcement power of BPPVE increase, and

    May the shameful clan of un-wonderful schools and shady enterprises (which claim state licensure or "approval" from elsewhere while they operate, all the while, from the great state California) decrease.

    More grease to your elbow, Dr. Bear!



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