Accreditation Equivalent by WES?

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by bigposse, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. smartdegree

    smartdegree Active Member

    Late to the party, but based on my understanding ALL evaluation services in Canada will not equate NA degrees with Canadian degrees. The best you can get for a recognition of your degree is through ICAS. ICAS will equate the NA masters degrees as equivalent to a Canadian "Private Career College Qualification". Several posts in Canada immigration forums confirm this.

    Some people might also want to have their ENEB credentials officially reviewed by ICAS as they might equate it to the same Private Career College Qualification. In reality, I think that is an accurate description perhaps of the professional nature of ENEB. And maybe even Quantic.

    I would guess that a recognized private career college diploma is better than an unrecognized masters degree in Canada?
  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    What is giving you the impression that ICAS might equate them to a Private Career College Qualification? I'm just asking out of curiosity, not challenging your idea.

    I don't know about the Canadian side of that, but career colleges in the United States focus heavily on certificates, career diplomas, and Associate degrees. ENEB focuses on Master's degrees and postgraduate diplomas, and Quantic focuses on Master's degrees.
  3. smartdegree

    smartdegree Active Member

    Type on google search: "Private Career College Qualification" ICAS

    Then go to the links. You will see from some of the discussions that ICAS equates NA accredited masters degrees as private career colleges in CANADA. They also consider other foreign degrees that don't pass their standards as career college qualifications.

    In Canada a career college qualification / diploma is useful. Not quite as good as a university or public college, but still useful. An unrecognized foreign degree, however, will be the least useful (I think - YMMV).

    I cannot comment at all on career colleges in the United States as I am talking about the Canadian system and ICAS is a Canadian evaluator.

    Again, I am mentioning this to help ENEB and Quantic (and maybe even UPeople) graduates have their credential recognized in Canada and not to lessen their achievements. I am just saying that private career colleges in Canada (which also offer postgraduate diplomas) have goals that are similar to ENEB and Quantic (focus is on career not prepare for academe/PhD). Equating degrees etc, is definitely not my expertise but those of the evaluators in Canada.

    On a final note, a $300 private career college diploma would be considered a steal in Canada.
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure about "Again" as you didn't mention what your intent with any of this was before, lol.

    It more than likely won't matter one way or the other since evaluators already know how they're going to classify these things regardless of what we think about them. Besides that, the NA/RA paradigm is officially dead. I expect that evaluators will catch up to that at some point, or someone will eventually come at them legally to make them do it.
  5. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    I suspect that there will continue to be snobbery regarding accreditation. It wouldn't be that difficult to say "we only accept credits from schools that have been accredited by these 7 accreditors because of stricter guidelines" or something like that. Even if you have RA credits, it's not entirely uncommon for School A to reject credits earned from School B because they supposedly don't meet School A's requirements. I don't see this stopping any time soon, it will just be more difficult for students to figure out if they can transfer credits from one institution to another.
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is why I'm surprised that institutions with liberal transfer credit policies don't do more to advertise that. It's potentially a deciding selling point for a lot of prospective students.
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  7. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Yes, but then it makes it harder to justify why you arbitrarily decided that you refused to accept some Gen Ed courses from the school you don't like. Better to leave it vague so you don't talk yourself into a corner.
  8. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    I'm not saying that they would necessarily make their reasoning public. But vague reasons for not accepting gen ed credits from a RA school are already normal as it is.
  9. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    That's my point. If a school says "We only accept credits from schools accredited by these 7 accreditors" then when you show up at Harvard with credits from the University of Phoenix, they may be forced to explain why, exactly, those credits won't transfer despite meeting that stated requirement. If you leave it vague and say, as they currently do, "Credit transfer is at the discretion of the institution" then you can do whatever you want with no explanation whatsoever which is what they currently do.
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This means nothing here. You cannot use it to go to University neither to apply for a professional license. All it says is that the training is not a mill and you worked for it but you cannot use it to be admitted into a PhD or a Masters degree.

    I completed a Doctorate from an Australian school and first used WES to evaluate, the evaluation came positive and equivalent to a PhD. However, some schools in Toronto did not recognize it so I had to do a University of Toronto evaluation and came positive. I used it there for a while but then I applied to Quebec, in Quebec some Universities refused the University of Toronto evaluation.

    In few words, within the same country these evaluations are not Universal. A DEAC degree would be OK for one employer and not OK for another. The same evaluation services are recognized by some and not others.

    University of Toronto evaluation is the most prestigious over here but it doesn't mean that it will be honored by all employers. All these evaluations are not legally binding, this means that the employer is not obliged to accept them.

    European system is different, in Spain, the minister of education equivalency is legal and employers by law should honor it. In Canada, evaluations of foreign credentials are not legal.
  11. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    No matter what we do or say as well as how prestigious a place is, there is always a chance of rejection.

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