A veiled threat and a nasty message from Columbia Commonwealth

Timmy Ade · Jun 22, 2002

Gert: But most of us on this board are pusillanimous gadflies who sit behind our keyboards and freely pontificate despite our ignorance.

Timmy : Be careful Gert, Lest you be labeled as Sheila or her agent .):

DaveHayden · Jun 22, 2002

Originally posted by Gert Potgieter
It's unfortunate to take cheap shots at a small start-up university because it doesn't have an impressive physical presence. I think it's acceptable for a new DL university to have a small administrative office with a staff of one. I agree that such a university needs to be able to demonstrate the quality and robustness of its academic processes (e.g. course materials, tutoring, assessment). But I don't think that an impressive office is required. It's fun to tease the people who are trying to establish these new universities. But most of us on this board are pusillanimous gadflies who sit behind our keyboards and freely pontificate despite our ignorance.

Gert Potgieter
Pusillanimous and Ignorant Gadfly
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Hmmm. I guess I have a hard time understanding this one. I haven't seen ANY cheap shots at new start up schools. Of course there is no way CCU, CPU, or K-W fit the description of a new start up school. Is there a school or at least a comment you had in mind?

George Brown · Jun 23, 2002

Re: So DE is deficient? Maybe the provider is deficient...

Originally posted by Peter French
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Dear George,

What findings are unanimous?
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The findings that a virtual university cannot provide the same learning environment that a traditional university can provide.

I fully support anyone doing the same thing and in some case recommend it.
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A dangerous recommendation Peter!! What about different learning styles? DE is not suited to all types of learners - one must understand their own style and, if need be, 'learn how to learn'.

So what are you really saying, and where is the research?
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As I said before, that the virtual university cannot provide the same learning environment as a traditional university can provide, especially at undergraduate level. For example, Booker (1999) states that the virtual university does not allow the scholar to enjoy the social, competitive and inspirational dimensions of learning - this has found to lead to a loss of competitive edge in the field of research. Newcombe (1999) concurs, finding that online education cannot match the experience encountered in the classroom and does not suit all types of learners, whilst Perley & Tanguay (1999) found an 'unbundling' process occured when students learned in an online environment. This was due to the linear, predicatable learning process meeting 'measurable outcomes that fit uniform assessment tools' that are the antithesis of the face-to-face learning environment.

There are of course, many more writers in the area, and there are of course those that espouse the virtues of the virtual university. Those that do cite 'supposed' cost savings with this model, along with the flexibility of delivery and ease of catering to the lifelong learning market. All of the writers suggest the model is most beneficial to the post graduate market - not one recommends this style of learning at the undergraduate level.

And, yes, I would deliver my courses by distance into the Hilton Hotel in Darwin. But that is workplace learning isn't it, not stricly distance education?

Cheers,

George
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Peter French · Jun 23, 2002

Virtual is different to distance?

Originally posted by George Brown

The findings that a virtual university cannot provide the same learning environment that a traditional university can provide.

A dangerous recommendation Peter!! What about different learning styles? DE is not suited to all types of learners - one must understand their own style and, if need be, 'learn how to learn'.

As I said before, that the virtual university cannot provide the same learning environment as a traditional university can provide, especially at undergraduate level. For example, Booker (1999) states that the virtual university does not allow the scholar to enjoy the social, competitive and inspirational dimensions of learning - this has found to lead to a loss of competitive edge in the field of research. Newcombe (1999) concurs, finding that online education cannot match the experience encountered in the classroom and does not suit all types of learners, whilst Perley & Tanguay (1999) found an 'unbundling' process occured when students learned in an online environment. This was due to the linear, predicatable learning process meeting 'measurable outcomes that fit uniform assessment tools' that are the antithesis of the face-to-face learning environment.

There are of course, many more writers in the area, and there are of course those that espouse the virtues of the virtual university. Those that do cite 'supposed' cost savings with this model, along with the flexibility of delivery and ease of catering to the lifelong learning market. All of the writers suggest the model is most beneficial to the post graduate market - not one recommends this style of learning at the undergraduate level.

And, yes, I would deliver my courses by distance into the Hilton Hotel in Darwin. But that is workplace learning isn't it, not stricly distance education?

Cheers,

George
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It isn't my recommendation George, but then you may be making a difference between VIRTUAL and DISTANCE but what it is beats me

I'll stick with Keegan, Holmberg and the raft of others, as well as my own experience. Collegiality can be substituted, and face to face also doesn't sit well with everyone.

If you are going to argue the issue with delivery methods, maybe we should go back a few decades and bring back apprenticeship learning?

I had beeter tell the people in Arnhem Land, the children who study with the school of the air, all of Stotts students, and not forget Tom Head.

Studies are not as conslusive as you make or read them George. Sorry, but we'll never agree on this point. And if you deliver into Darwin by TV and CD-ROM and no physical presence, what do yuo call that?

Peter

Bill Huffman · Jun 23, 2002

Originally posted by John Bear
The Veiled Threat
Dr. Les Carr, President of Columbia Commonwealth University, is very unhappy ...
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People that participate in academic fraud are, in a way, a gift. They give the gift of laughter and amusement to others. They seem to generally have over blown egos (amongst other amusing attributes) which adds to their ability to amuse. Dr. Less Carr may be one of these because I find myself being very amused.

Thank you Dr. Les Carr and a special thanks to Dr. Les Carr's dear minion.

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