400 new full time online positions

Discussion in 'Online & DL Teaching' started by Randell1234, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    A large for-profit that I adjunct for (not UoP and I will not disclose the name) just announced they will have 300 new full time online positions. Could this be a move away from adjuncts? I am sure no one is forecasting that much growth.
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  2. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    Hmmm, the "big For Profit 3" are UOP, Walden and Capella.
  3. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    WOW really? That's about $18,000,000 in salary costs alone per year. Is my math right? That can't be right. $45k per year average brings in 18 mil. Holy cow.
  4. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    If I had to take a guess, I'd say they aren't necessarily adding 400 new positions. Rather, they've had to dramatically cut back adjunct hours due to Obamacare and are having to hire new adjuncts to take up the slack. I really don't want to turn this into a political thread, but it's been widely reported that schools are reducing adjunct hours across the board to get under the 30 hours per week limit to keep from having to buy healthcare for them. Here are three articles I quickly pulled up so you can see what's going on...


    CCAC Cuts Adjuncts' Hours To Avoid Obamacare Requirements

    Moe Lane » College adjuncts getting hammered by Obamacare.
  5. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Randell, are you sure these are full-time positions or 400 new part-time adjunct positions?
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  6. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I can believe a large for-profit would move teaching load from adjuncts to full-time instructors*about now. Especially if this responded to concerns from their accreditor.
  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    My university is hiring four full-time CJ faculty this year (it shall remain unnamed). I don't know about the other disciplines i.e. education, business, etc.

    I speculated that they did a cost analysis and figured that it would be marginally cheaper and more reliable to hire four full-time CJ faculty, instead of trying to increase the number of adjunct faculty who are willing to work fewer hours (under the Obama limit).
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    MY MISTAKE - it is 300 positions, not 400. Here is part of the email:

    ... creating up to 300 full-time faculty positions at.....
  9. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Okay, through my amazing resources I have discovered that the non-profit that is hiring 300 new full-timers is Everest Online. The only reason I'm making it public is because we're in a crap economy right now and there might be some who could use the work. So, there you go...Everest Online.
  10. graymatter

    graymatter Member

  11. DxD=D^2

    DxD=D^2 Member

    I think the magic words here are "up to"... don't forget that could mean 1-300. It doesn't guarantee that 300 will be hired.
  12. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    That feels kinda rude.
  13. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Well, I will not confirm not deny it but if the positions are open to internal employees first, anyone not already employed could not apply. And you are right, there might be someone that could use the work but applying for a position that is not created might not do a lot of good. I will be more selective about sharing any future information.
  14. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    It was never meant to be rude. We are, indeed, in a crap economy right now, the worst I've seen in my lifetime. Europe is headed into an unprecedented triple-dip recession and things aren't looking so rosy on my side of the pond. Fact is, people need work right now. If I can do some small thing to help others find a little work, I'll gladly do it.
  15. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    I'm sure you didn't think I was asking you to justify a bad economy again. I meant, that choosing to out someone's employer who asked for privacy in the thread sent you to scour your "amazing resources" at light speed and post the results in this thread. THAT, feels kinda rude.

    No one here REALLY expects anonymity, but if you'd found the info, and felt it worthy of sharing, why not create a new thread announcing the job posting- including a link- and posting it? That way, you share the information and let others connect the dots on their own? In option two, you facilitated information and preserved anonymity.....option one is kinda middle schoolish.
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Good news for those with doctorates looking for opportunities for full time work.
  17. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Jennifer, it's not exactly a big secret. It's being openly discussed on another forum right now. Now, take a big breath and get a little sunshine. It does wonders for the soul.
  18. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Some older for-profit universities (like Phoenix, Argosy, Everest, etc) were originally established as systems of B&M schools. Then they introduced online programs as well. Such schools still have both B&M and online operations today.

    In some cases, however, the online operations have become increasingly important and profitable, while the B&M operations have struggled. So recently there has been a trend towards closing B&M campuses, and strengthening the online side. For example, UoP closed a total of 115 B&M campuses (about half the total) last year. The students at the closed campuses were, of course, transitioned into UoP online programs instead.

    So a hiring surge for online instructors doesn't necessarily mean overall growth -- it could mean that online instructors are needed to offset a future loss of B&M campuses and instructors. I have no idea if this is actually the case here, but it seems like a possibility worth mentioning.
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is also worth mentioning that these faculty positions are non tenure track, year to year contract, pay lower than traditional faculty positions, high teaching loads and have almost no research duties.

    I had a full time contract for an online for profit for a year. The salary is similar to what you would make as an adjunct except that you have benefits and don't have to struggle to look for work at other for profits. On the other hand, you are expected to attend endless meetings and take administration roles.

    Most of the online schools have no rankings for faculty, you are just "Faculty" which means that there is only one salary bracket and little room for promotion unless you take management roles that pay a bit higher.

    I would have no problems making a lower salary and working hard if this gives me the flexibility to work from home and do what I love. My issue with this type of positions is that are not very secure and if you lose your job, you will have a very hard time getting a full time at a traditional school with an online faculty from a virtual school on your resume.

    Perhaps a middle ground would be to offer long term contracts (5 years) or some kind of tenure for online faculty positions but I highly doubt that this would be the case is a sellers market.

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