Higher Doctorate

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/publications/salarydisclosure/pssd/pdf/universities_2012.pdf

I do believe that you do your research. I think you need to have second look. All public salaries including benefits must be made public in Ontario. I have attached the salaries for public universities in Ontario.
When I was director of finance, I was one of highest earning employees. There were a few older people who did well. The excluded management pay grid was more flexible. There was lots of room for negotiation. However on the teaching side, it was not that easy to pay a young expert higher than an old deadwood employee.

 

Correction, that should be salaries over $100k be public.

 

Have you considered a Bridge Program? Less investment in dollars and time.

 

I think we have discussed few times, the bridge is not a degree but a certificate program that costs between 20 to 30K plus five trips. This can bring the cost to more than 30K

Costs & Funding | Postdoctoral Bridge | Warrington

In addition, this is a year program with studies required to complete in order to get it.

We have discussed the pros and cons, the bottom line is that this is not a PhD but a certificate so there is no guarantee that employers will honor it as a PhD in Business from an AACSB accredited school. It is a bit risky.

The higher doctorate from British schools is an actual degree that is conferred by the University and it is actually at a higher level than a PhD. The degree does not require extra work but just validates your current research achievements with a degree.

It would be easier for me to get funding for a degree (DSc) for 16K than a certificate that will cost more than 30K.

Also, I forgot to mention that the higher doctorates are normally only available to graduates of the University granting them, I am about to complete a M.Sc at UWE and for this reason eligible to apply for it. The cost for this program was small because I completed most credits with external exams from an accounting association and got financed most of it from my professional development fund at the University.

Thanks for the ideas, I think I will wait and see if i am able to get a tenure track next year. In the mean time, I will apply for funding, if I get it then I will do the DSc.

 

My perceptions of tenure track positions is that they are for young people coming up very traditionally though the academic system. Getting noticed at 24 for their academic achievements, getting attached to the right professors and attracting some buzz of their own at 28, and graduating with a traditional PhD from a B&M school. They have a lot of years ahead where they can be 'farmed' by the system in various assistant and associate roles with the carrot of tenure dangling before them. Universities are littered with tons of really good faculty, popular teachers with excellent research and publication records who never make tenure. A lot of us on these boards are trying to piece together our educations in a non-traditional way, often at an older age and using side-door and distance methods. To be blunt, tenure isn't really designed with us in mind. Sure it could happen, but it would be a long-shot at best. It would be like going to law school at 40 or 50 and expecting to walk into a partnership at a major law firm - sure, it might happen because of the gray hair and the experience and connections you bring, but really it is a rare event. That's how it looks to me anyway.

 

You are right, may be it is time to move on and be happy for what I have.

Most of the new hires have the profile that you mention, young people with traditional PhDs from top schools. The 40 or 50 something with a low tier doctorate new hire is rare unless he or she comes from another University with an existing tenure position.

The reality is that even with traditional PhDs, you only have 50% chances of getting a tenure track in Canada, if you missed the boat it is not easy to get back on track.

Getting published is also not enough, most schools are looking for at least few publications in top journals. Getting published in a top journal might take more than 3 years and it is also not guarantee that it will work. I have a friend with two publications in management science (top journal) but he gets the excuse that the publications are old (more than 10 years).

The ideal candidate is a PhD from a top B&M school with at least two publications in top journals. Anything besides this is a tough sell in the academic market.

People with tons of experience normally make good University administrators or part time executive teachers, positions that require bringing grants and publishing in top journals are normally better served with energetic individuals that know how to play the academic game.

 

I hear you! And often the reasons for NOT getting tenure seem to remain a mystery to those concerned, from what I hear. Was it that chance remark at a department meeting that pissed off somebody? Or just not being the flavor of the decade? I'm glad I never was in a position to pursue that track, since it sounds pretty poisonous.

 

I am very happy that you wrote this. Ontario may be the highest paying jurisdiction in Canada, and as the verifiable evidence have shown, there is only a handful of teacher above $200k and tiny number above $300k. With your qualifications, management is the way to go, then move into the private sector. You love teaching. You can always do it on the side for the love not for the money because it is a pittance.
With a master in accounting, a world-class accounting designation, and a DBA in information system, you need to thinking, director, VP, CFO, CEO of an organization. Leverage your academics background and focus on being dean or vp of any education institution. Do two years and then move on to the corporate world. You need to take a bit of risk.

 

Good advice, our administration positions don't pay that much but it is a stepping stone for a better career in the private sector.

 

Hello RFValve,

I read your situation and all suggestions. Although I am not a frequent poster, I felt the need to react. Here's a European (my) perspective.

First of all, if I understand correctly, you already hold a doctoral degree, even though it's not a PhD. So, if I were you, I would firstly approach to CICIC -Canada's International Academic Credential Evaluation and Assessment Services to assess the equivalency of the doctoral degree you hold no matter what your university says. So, if you get a positive evaluation, well done; if not there are next steps.

You also mentioned that you chase a tenure track in most of the developed places in the world. For some of the European countries DBA is a 'more than enough degree'. And I also want to emphasize that some European countries even don't have that distinction between professional doctorates and PhD.

So my advise, wherever you want to head, first make sure that your DBA degree can be considered as a research degree. And the best way to do it isn't organize with local, official evaluation services of that country that you are interested in.

 

Reviewing the leadership of cga Canada here are the bios on a couple members. There are many CGAs who have had long and successful careers in education. By comparison you are more educated.

Don Bureaux, CGA
Don Bureaux is the president of Nova Scotia Community College. Mr. Bureaux has been working with adult learners throughout Nova Scotia for over 20 years. His background includes teaching, program development and administration, and collaborating with educational institutions around the globe to create successful learning opportunities. Prior to joining the college, Mr. Bureaux was assistant director of Acadia University’s Centre for Social and Business Entrepreneurship as well as a lecturer in the F.C. Manning School of Business. He holds a certificate in adult education and a BBA from Acadia University. He earned his master’s in business administration from Heriot-Watt University. Mr. Bureaux, CGA, holds the international designation of Certified Business Counsellor.

Dr. Hilary Becker, CGA
Hilary Becker is an assistant professor of accounting at the Eric Sprott School of Business at Carleton University. He received his PhD from the University of Havana and holds a B.Sc., BCom and MBA. Dr. Becker worked as an analyst with DuPont Inc. and consulted for the World Wildlife Fund, the MacArthur Foundation, Merck-Schering Plough, and the Cuban government as a recognized expert in Cuban tourism and business. He has taught executive MBA courses in Canada, Iran, mainland China and Hong Kong and is certified by the Blue Ocean Strategy Network (INSEAD University, France).

 

Yes, but these guys are in accounting. Accounting is a booming field now, our University hires about 3 new professors in Accounting every year and lose 2 or 3 that leave for better salaries. Starting salaries for Accounting profs at our University is 150K plus but other schools are paying 180K plus.

IT is a different story, it is common to see people with two doctorates and post docs applying for our part time teaching positions. Not good times for IT nowadays.

Engineering is another saturated field, it is common to see quite few unemployed PhDs that are not even able to find part time teaching employment.

I completed a MS in Accounting but most faculties need a PhD in Accounting or at least a Chartered Accounting designation that it would take 5 years to get in Canada.

I considered a PhD in Accounting by publication that is perhaps the best route for me if I want to go in Accounting. I can also specialize in Accounting IS.

By the way, it looks like Dr. Sheldon from Bing Bang has a higher doctorate. I wonder if it is a British one.

Big Bang Theory - Dr Sheldon Cooper (BS, MS, MA, PhD, and ScD) - YouTube


Thanks for all your feedback, it is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks for your feedback. I don't really have an issue with recognition. The degree was evaluated as the equivalent to a Canadian doctorate degree. The issue is competition, the degree is recognized as a doctorate degree but it is not easy to compete with people with degrees from schools like Perdue, Southern California, Cornell etc.

The reality is that the academic market is very competitive, just a "doctorate" doesn't cut it any more. My idea of a higher doctorate was just to have something impressive in a resume that could catch the attention of employers. This could have been sold as a very prestigious award that only few get and enough to show high caliber research skills.

There are tenure tracks available at the college level in Ontario that will have no problems taking a DBA from an Australian school, but these are more "teaching" oriented positions. My current position is teaching and administration oriented, this is OK but there is a substantial salary gap between a teaching position and a research position at the University level.

The easiest path could be to switch to a field with more opportunities (e.g. Accounting) or go for an administration position at a smaller University (e.g. dean of a small university).

I could also get financing for the higher doctorate but the feedback is that a higher doctorate from a middle tier British school might still not cut it.

 

Whitehorse is one of the most beautiful places in Canada to live. Here are two opportunities. Great pensions and relocation allowance. I placed them here because Yukon is off the beaten path.
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In the context of US business education, "Perdue" refers to a regional business school at Salisbury University in Maryland, which is named after a famous chicken salesman.

Whereas "Purdue" refers to a nationally ranked university system in Indiana.

I'm guessing that the reference should be to "Purdue", rather than "Perdue".

 

In that your DBA is Australian; have you considered …

Griffin University-Griffin Business School (AACSB): Ph.D. by Publication ($14,459.00 AUS)
https://www148.griffith.edu.au/programs-courses/Program/OverviewAndFees?ProgramCode=6002

https://www148.griffith.edu.au/degree-career-finder/Program/HowToApply?programCode=6002&studentType=Domestic

 

Great find! However, it has this clause below:

"Admission requirements

Applicants will require the following:

applicants will be established researchers
an applicant who has already been awarded a doctoral level qualification will not be admitted to candidature."

This means that I would need to hide my DBA for admission. The problem is that my DBA dissertation is registered with the Australian Government so they can easily find out if I have a doctorate.

 

My bad :guilty: … I definitely should have caught that!

Could there be Australian or New Zealand PhD by Publication program/s that doesn’t have a like admission clause (e.g., no previous awarded doctorate)…?

 

Seemingly w/o the previous awarded doctorate restriction … (?)

Victoria University (Melbourne): PhD (Thesis by publication)

Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) | Victoria University | Melbourne Australia

http://www.vu.edu.au/sites/default/files/research/pdfs/Guidelines%20on%20Thesis%20by%20Publication%20at%20Victoria%20University.pdf