Taft DBA

OK, so I'm going to ask you to give me examples of credible doctoral degrees that only have 20% of their credits for a major project or even dissertation.

I'm sure with so much experience in the area you would be able to mention at least few that only require this little to become doctor.

 

Valdosta's DPA requires only 9 of 54 (only 17%) hours for it's capstone seminar and final project. Valdosta is RA and its public administration programs have NASPAA accreditation.

 

How do you know it's easy to get a doctoral degree from a DETC school? Just because it's easy to get in, it doesn't mean that you can graduate.

 

The difference in cost between Taft and Walden is at least 20k, so I can see why there might be a market for a cheaper DL DBA. Why do you say the DETC degrees are easier than similar RA for-profit programs? Has anyone researched this? These days I don't think most degrees take you anywhere on their own. You need a background. Your degree is something extra. If you have a lot of experience you're probably older and if you're older it's probably foolish to spend 40-100k on another degree.

 

So, in your opinion, what is the maximum percentage needed for a doctoral program to be credible?

Also, note that students need to have a masters degree in order to be admitted. Taking that into account and the fact that masters degrees generally are between 30 and 60 units, it is more like 12 out of 90-120 instead of 12 out 60.

I'll use my own program as an example. My program requires a total of 84 units. 36 of those units can be free electives. 54 units must be earned "in residence". I was able to have 30 units from my prior degrees applied towards my program of study. I need 54 units to complete my program. Now (at least in this context) we are comparing apples to apples. With 12 units (out of the 54 remaining) required for dissertation, my program requires 22.2 percent for the dissertation.

 

The Ed.D. in Educational Leadership at Indiana University requires 12 of 90 credit hours (13%) in dissertation. The IU School of Education is ranked as a top 20 grad school in education in the USN&WR rankings.

 

Won't deny that. Good counter-point in the regards of research careers outside of academia.

I'd love to see some hiring metrics eventually from DETC schools at some point.

 

Rich -

You're right about my not having a doctorate yet and your assessment is a fair one from my point of view. In return, I'd say most of the DETC support comes from people who have an iron in the fire. (again, not directed at you for the same reason)

 

This argument is really beginning to get stale.

There are many, like myself, who have never taken a DETC course and see the utility of a DETC DBA degree. If it looks good on your business card and you speak at public engagements and you are publishing re: business related issues and ............... the list goes on.

Let's compare DETC DBA's, RA DBA's and non-American DBA's, ...... something else here. Perhaps the real problem is that it comes from America and has nothing to do with the popular UK or Australian versions. At the same time, they are all lumped together meaning that if you like UK or Australian DBA's, you are in good company by association.

 

Please correct me if I was wrong. But this looks like a NA tag with an AACSB price.
Who would want to go there?

 

I have a friend who is a CEO in the medical industry. She commands VERY high salaries. She is well known, has the contacts and knows the right people. She is in the process of considering a DBA for her resume and portfolio. Does she need it? No. Will it command her more money, HELL YES! This is a smart young lady, so a DBA is just icing on the cake. DBA's are becoming more and more common as degrees become more plentiful. Jobs that required a BA now require an MBA for the same pay. Thus, a CEO is logically going to set himself/herself apart from the pack.

Abner

 

Hey Jonathan,

Good to hear from you!


Abner

 

Have to agree there!

 

I see others have jumped in. Good enough.

 

Yes the tuition costs do appear excessive for merely an ACICS accredited school; cash cow endeavor (?). I ran across Pacific States U by accident while searching [NA] D.B.A. programs ; an 82-year (est. 1928) university I’d never heard of.

 

Exactly. Any "doctoral program" could be designed to operate like a Ponzi scheme; just bolt an unregistered sweepstakes on the back end to relieve pressure on the scheme. Accept everyone who can pay tuition into the "doctoral program." All the byzantine doctoral policies and acts by professors / administration have a sweepstakes effect, with some students randomly being advanced to graduation and "cash out". While the vast majority of students can't figure out how to "cash out" and can't demand to be cashed out, so they eventually write off their investments and leave; also relieving pressure on the scheme. The Ponzi doctoral scheme probably can't be easily detected unless the accreditor knows something about the segregation of revenue and expenses in multi-service organizations. (As in, "Provide me with a income statement just of and only for the doctoral program. Thanks.") Of course, I'm not accusing anyone of fraud or referring to any particular school; my post is just meant for your edutainment and refers to no individual / organization that is operating or defunct...