NACIQI - DETC - 5 Years and Scope Expanded for Professional Doctorates

Re: Re: NACIQI - DETC - 5 Years and Scope Expanded for Professional Doctorates

Thanks Ted.
I am not entirely clear on what a "professional" doctorate is. Could you give some examples?

 

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Exactly, There was a time Comm. College instructors had a bachelors, then it became a min. Masters and now Ph.D preferred is a tag line...now this along with foreign Ph.Ds will only increase the supply of Doctorates.

 

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I found this link to subjects taught by DETC accredited schools. There appears to be 6 schools presently teaching nursing subjects.

http://www.detc.org/subjectsT.html

 

DNP

Delta,

I learned today that Aspen University is now a new applicant to CCNE (American Association of Colleges of Nursing ) for accreditation of their Master of Science in Nursing program.

http://www.aacn.nche.edu/ccne/reports/rptNewApplicants.asp?sort=state


Aspen University
Denver, CO
Nursing degree program holding new applicant status:
Master's

 

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I think your underestimating the current and future progress of the DETC. I'm a training officer for the police department that I work for. The department has just submitted documentation of all the FTO's educational background and experience to our local community/junior college, so that the department will receive funding from the community/junior college and the trainees will earn college credit for completing the FTO program. I've also been approached about teaching online classes at the junior college.

My master's from a DETC institution was more than sufficient for meeting and exeeding their required guidelines to be an official instructor for the college.

I believe the true issue arises that many DETC graduates are not too interested in teaching. They puruse a DETC degree due to it's affordability, flexibility, potential promotion(s) within a respective field, but not to teach in academia.

There are DETC graduates who are interested in teaching classes, whether it be in a classroom or online. I've found several DETC graduates who are teaching and seem to be successful in doing so.

The DETC always gets a negative spin from someone, regardless of it's achievements and successes. DETC and it's graduates are going to continue to prove the critics wrong over and over again.

The only limitations of having a DETC graduate secure a teaching position are the limitations that the gradute chooses to believe, regardless if your degree is NA or RA. It's not the college you graduated from, but what you do with your education that truly matters. You must stay positive, be persistent and never give-up. That's the way, the only way, in which the educational world changes for the better.

 

To a degree, it does matter what college you graduated from. I obtained a DETC degree from the College for Professional Studies and was rejected by every graduate school I applied too; with the exception being Capella and Liberty.

In spite of a 3.96 GPA, what I could do with my education was extremely limited. I obtained an RA B.S. from Excelsior and the doors opened. I, too, am in law enforcement and have teaching aspirations.

In sum, while not knocking DETC degrees, why put your self in a position in which your options are limited, and you are constantly explaining the validity of your degree?

 

Although the College of Professional Studies no longer exists, when you were attending, were they officially accredited by DETC? What happened to this institution?

If they were accredited, your academic work should have been recognized, but each insitituion can set it's own policies as to what credits they accept and won't accept.

College for Professional Studies
(no longer accepting enrollments after March 31, 2003)
6409 Congress Avenue, Suite 100
Boca Raton, FL 33487
Phone: 561-994-2522 or 1-800-669-2555; Fax: 561-988-2223
E-mail: [email protected]
Founded: 1976
First Accredited: 1993
Next Review: 2007

Paralegal, criminal justice, and legal nurse consulting certificate, diploma, and the following degrees: Specialized Associate in Paralegal Studies, Specialized Associate in Criminal Justice, Bachelor of Science in Paralegal Studies, and Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice.

 

In response to your question, they were officialy accredited by the DETC when I attended. They were part of Kaplan College and have closed. While I always knew that DETC was recognized by the U.S. Department of Education, I was still shut out by all but those schools I previously mentioned for graduate school. Had I known about the pitfalls of accreditation, I would have never pursued the DETC degree. While DETC is legitimate, and may serve some, my goal of obtaining an advanced education at the best school I could was hindered by the DETC accreditation.

 

That can pose difficulties if a school closes and you then try to transfer over academic credits. Although, they should keep official records of your academic work.

Saying that, although it's after the fact and you already now have your bachelor's, did you ever research the CHEA/HETA website for schools to transfer into?

http://www.chea.org/heta/search.asp

The list is too large to post here, but there are many, many options beyond the two schools you mentioned, for DETC graduates in wanting to transfer into other colleges and universities.

I'm pasting two commonly sought after questions from the DETC website pertaining to RA vs NA and the transfer of credits:

Q. Will the credits I receive from a DETC-accredited institution be accepted by a traditional college or university?

A. Our 2001 survey of DETC graduates showed that of those who attempted (and only 1 of 3 did attempt) to transfer credits and degrees, 2 of 3 were successful.
Acceptance of degrees or credits from DETC-accredited institutions is largely determined by the policy of the "receiving organization," e.g., an employer, a college registrar, etc. DETC accreditation is not a guarantee that credit will transfer to any college or university. You should always check with the college or university that you wish to transfer your credits to before you enroll in a course. The American Council on Education reviews courses of DETC-accredited institutions and makes credit recommendations that are published annually in "The National Guide to Educational Credit for Training Programs" or call Oryx Press at 1-800-279-ORYX.

Q. If my credits do not transfer to a regionally accredited college, is my DETC credential useless?

A. No! The sine qua non of an institution’s quality is not if its credits transfer: this is a false premise. The fact that regionally accredited colleges refuse to accept credits from another school because it is not regionally accredited flies directly in the face of national policies advocated by American Council on Education (ACE), the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers (AACRAO), Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA), et al. The real issue here has less to do with the academic quality of the sending institution, and more to do with anti-competitive business practices of the receiving institution. Competition is heating up in higher education, and there are forces at work to control the inroads being made by “upstart” operators. Congress, the Department of Education, and the Department of Justice have been looking into this anti-competitive practice by higher education, and we suspect we will see significant activity in the coming months on this matter.

 

RENP

CCNE accreditation of a nationally accredited institution will be interesting to follow and I believe a first. In nursing circles CCNE or NLN accreditation is more important than DETC or even regional accreditation! Howeve, I don't believe those organizations offer accreditation for doctoral programs.

 

The school was still open when I attempted to transfer credits. It is nice to see that your degrees have provided utility for you. I spent 7 of my 18 years on the department as a field training officer and am now assigned to criminal investigations. I can honestly say that the most rewarding part of my career was my time spent training new officers. Stay safe out there!

 

Re: RENP

Delta,

I would have to agree with you that the NLN or CCNE do not offer accreditation to doctoral programs.

But If the school offers bachelor or masters (or both) degrees that are accredited by the NLN or CCNE and is listed on the CHEA or DOE website, I think that you would agree that no one within the nursing health care arena would question validity of that NA or RA doctoral degree.

 

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Are you then saying that the advent of DETC doctorates will effect the supply side (an increase in the number of schools offering the doctorate) but not the demand side (no increase in the number of students earning the doctorate)?

 

Am I missing something?

Does everyone need a doctorate now?

Yes, I know [hypocracy police alerted] I have a PhD from a distance program (RA, but who's counting?) ... but I am still wondering if we need the federal accreditor of (primarily) technical programs to now also being awarding advanced degrees?

OK, apparently nurses seem to need doctorates ... (though I don't know what role they will then play in the healthcare delivery system)

What's next, the New York Institute of Photography offering a DPP (Doctorate of Professsional Photography)?

The Truck Marketing Institute offering the MTS (Master's in Truck Selection)?

HARDI having a D-HVAC - Doctor of Heating, Ventilation , & Air Conditioning?

Yes, there are some RA distance programs that have broken down a barrier that prevented middle aged, middle career adult learners from pursuing higher degrees.

But is it really necessary for everyone to have an advanced degree?

Doesn't this cheapen the value of such education?

Like calling every service industry front line employee "counselor"?
(Is anyone impressed by the kid at Best Buy being called a "sales counselor?)

Will there be any true value in higher education anymore?

 

Re: Am I missing something?

No, but I was very impressed by having my sub sandwich designed and built by a sandwich artist down at the friendly neighborhood local Subway.

 

Re: Re: RENP

I agree.

I think a determining factor for me will be the price of the program. If DETC institutions charge as much as a RA school for a DNP ($20 to 40K), I will simply go to the RA school. The distant learning aspect of a DETC program appeals to me as well but many RA programs are now distant learning as well.

 

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Delta,

Again, I agree that a low DETC program price would also be a determining factor for me and other nurses.

I hope that DETC present/future doctoral programs do not price themselves out of business. Maybe RA schools will start to come down a little on their prices now that they may have a little good old competition.

I am also looking at The College of Humanities and Sciences, Harrison Middleton Universities, Doctor of Education (Ed.D.) program. The tuition is $275 per credit hour and its $16,500 ($275 x 59 payments) for the complete doctoral program.

www.chumsci.edu


Regards,

 

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It's interesting, the CEO of a hospital local to me is an RN with an EdD.

http://www.stvincents.org/aboutus/executivestaff.cfm

I guess that, with the absence of nursing specific doctorate degrees the EdD is a convenient fit for nurse executives.

Good luck!

 

Re: Am I missing something?

In addition to the "health care delivery system", nurses play many roles. Researchers, educators, managers, chief executive officers for hospitals and so on.

Your concerns are noted. By the way, you can call me
Doctor nurse, I mean nurse doctor, no I mean doctor, no nurse, ummmm??