Childish Site About Capella University

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  1. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Re: Re: Childish Site About Capella University

    The administrator of the site has this habit of "locking out people" from his websites after you have looked at them. So if you have been to his site before at that IP, you are probably "locked out."
     
  2. mcdirector

    mcdirector New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Childish Site About Capella University

    How very odd. You have a message you want to get out -- regardless of how childish the message is -- and you lock people out?? Very odd.

    But I'll also say that this person does seem to have more time (or maybe hatred) than he's got ______ . (ok, go ahead and fill in the blank with your own word ;) )
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Not so odd

    Not really. I expect that his hoster probably charges him for bandwidth, which Capella is more than happy to use and use and use. (Not that I think that this site is a constructive form of opposition to Capella, just making a technical observation.)

    -=Steve=-
     
  4. simon

    simon New Member

    Are we certain that the poster is intentionally locking others out or is it possible that legal action was taken by Capella relating to allegations of defamation that has halted continuation of these websites? Just speculating.
     
  5. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    According to the counterclaim filed by Capella, Capella was locked out of the sites. Capella petitioned the court for full access in order to obtain further evidence for discovery. There has been no injunction to shut down the sites.
     
  6. Susanna

    Susanna New Member

    ... and, this website also holds blatant falsehoods. For example, one of the writers mentioned that a UoP degree would not get you into graduate school. This is hogwash!

    Trust no one, do your own research which should be based on facts, and experiences from both sides of the fence. There ARE experiences on both sides!!!! This is not intended to disregard your opinion.

    Personally, I feel such websites are pathetic.
     
  7. aic712

    aic712 Member

    Hi Susannah,


    No offense taken :) I think the website is funny because most of it is blatant crap; some if it is legitimate though, UOP has a problem with administration and staff pay-rates, which leads to alot of turnover and sometimes very poor student service.

    I wouldn't have attended if I though my degree was worthless, and I am a good example as to what their degrees can do for you; George Washington had no problems accepting me, and neither did George Mason.
     
  8. simon

    simon New Member

    From my perspective websites such as these are indicative of something awry with either the initiator of these sites, with the school or with both.

    There are myriad possible reasons why someone may wish to wreak such vendatta against a school, an institution or person. Some examples may include extreme unresolved frustration regarding a perceived grievance or projection of blame for failure onto the institution in question.

    However, regardless of the actual issue promulgating such behavior we should keep in mind that what we take for granted in traditional schools, the opportunity to have face-to-face interactions on a regular basis with faculty and adjunctive supportive staff and peers, is missing from online distance education programs. This is in spite of the fact that some of these schools offer periods of f2f residencies. This lack of ongoing f2f interaction may result in misunderstandings and misinterpretations of feelings or nuances that in a f2f situation may not ordinarily occur.

    Without f2f communication a student experiencing difficulty with his/her academics, personal issues or problems with a faculty member or other school related issues and policies may feel lost or misunderstood within the anonymity of a cyberschool environment. This may have absolutely nothing to do with the school and all to do with the student. However, we cannot discount the fact that many proprietary online schools are quite impersonal in spite of all the sophisticated technology and that some students may fall between the proverbial "cracks" and feel lost.

    This is not intended as an excuse for anyone conducting public website attacks against an online school but raises the need for these organizations to think outside the box relating to developing more effective means of reaching (commuicating) out to students. This may require online schools implementing more frequent telephonic and video cam interactions with students that simulate f2f interactions and not rely primarily on impersonal e-mails sent weekly or on periodic calls with faculty. Although such innovative measures will obviously not prevent some students from acting out their own issues it may go a long way in terms of bolstering the willingness of some students with issues to appropriately speak out their "grievances " rather than act-outing them out inappropriately.
     
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  9. NikolasHorthy

    NikolasHorthy New Member

    Grow Up

    Please grow up and get a sense of humor. Who said it best?"Some people take all the fun out of a tread." YoursTruly, Nikolas Horthy
     
  10. Susanna

    Susanna New Member

    Well said... couldn't agree more!
     
  11. Susanna

    Susanna New Member

    I do take your word for it even though I didn't experience "poor student service" when I was attending. I attended UoP in the mid 90's perhaps they were doing a better job back then. Hmmm.
     
  12. APerson

    APerson New Member

    Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    I was just looking around for information about Capella and came across the same thing. It looks like Diane Stottlemyer was discussed on this board a long time ago.That thread called A Time Bomb Waiting to Explode

    I also found another interesting thread at the Chronicle of Higher Education, Chronicle of Higher Education
     
  13. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    As I see it, the issue with Stottlemeyer is not whether she listed her "PhD degree" from Lacrosse in her bio - but the issue is, "Is Stottlemeyer qualified to teach at Capella?"

    According to the Capella catalog, Stottlemeyer holds a MS from California State University (http://www.capella.edu/inc/pdf/catalogs/Catalog.05-06-V1.pdf, p. 152.) I'm not excusing her from listing her "PhD" on her bio, but she is qualified to teach at the MS level if she holds a legitimate dgreee and has experience.
     
  14. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    The OCR resolution letters

    I have posted these once before at www.degreeboard.com; but since that board is no more, I can post the OCR resolution letters here - but since they are quite large, I'd like to have the blessings of the administrator(s).
     
  15. simon

    simon New Member

    Re: Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know


    Several years ago Capella had at least three other faculty members who held non RA accredited doctorates. However, Capella appears to have removed them from their staff.

    I believe that NCA permits schools to have such faculty on board as long as they comprise a very small percentage of the total doctoral level teaching staff.
     
  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Re: Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    Another issue might be: is a faculty member with a non-RA doctorate being treated as doctorally-qualified faculty or master's-qualified faculty?
     
  17. simon

    simon New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    In fact, I know of one doctoral student who was assigned such a faculty mentor and was furious about this situation. This student's position was that if a person with an non RA doctorate could obtain a faculty and mentor position with an RA online school what was the motivation for any student to lay out substantial money, time and effort to obtain an accredited degree when they can obtain an unaccredited doctorate and consequently be eligble for a faculty position with the RA school in question? Another perspective I heard was that by hiring such faculty the school was possibly saving money and it was felt actually shortchanging doctoral level students from having an appropriately credentialed mentor who could serve as a model for students to aspire. In addition, what student would want to have their doctoral dissertation signed off by an unaccredited professor after spending three to five years in attaining this goal?
     
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  18. GME

    GME New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    I am the primary staff/adjunct contact person for a large Los Angeles based graduate psychology program. We use a lot of adjuncts, a number of whom, though they qualify to teach via their accredited master's degrees and clinical licensure, also hold unaccredited doctorates (Los Angeles has a number of state approved psychology doctorate programs and psychoanalytic programs). As a matter of policy these intstructors may not include the title Dr. or list their phd degrees in our literature (however, in practice, we have occasionally found such instructors listing their titles/degrees on their syllabi).

    I am also working on a doctorate at Capella and would be extremly upset if I found a non-accredited phd on my committee.

    Finally, I would hazard to guess that any instructor whose only qualification is an unaccredited graduate degree was hired due to mistake as opposed to intent on the part of the school. In my opinion, it is extremely unlikely that an accredited school would have a multi-tiered pay schedule with a lower pay tier devoted to non-accredited degree holders.

    -- GME
     
  19. APerson

    APerson New Member

    Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    The Capella instructor mentioned in this thread, Diane Stottlemyer, doesn't seem to hold a doctorate from a non-RA accredited school either. According to a report on diploma mills that was given before Congress, Lacrosse University is a fraud. Why would any university keep such a person on? It appears that many others have been fired from different universities once their Lacrosse doctorate was uncovered. These are easy to find by doing a Google search for

    +"diploma mill" +fired +lacrosse
     
  20. simon

    simon New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Looks like there may be more to this than we know

    It is understandable if an online university makes a "mistake" or even intentionally hires a highly gifted faculty with an unaccredited doctorate. However, when three or more professors within ANY university are identified as having unaccredited doctorates this does not appear to be a mistake but a perspective that condones such hirings. Let us not be naive. Faculty, and in particular department chairs, are very much aware of where their colleagues obtained their doctorates as well as their research activities, etc. There is no way to explain away such hirings except for it being condoned and promoted.
     

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