Less "Diploma Mills" in the ODA list !

The short Memory of Uncle J

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Hey, Jake. Getting paranoid like the rest of them? Starting to see me in your sleep? Who knows where I will show up next?

By Ra - I mean Russ...

 

peel back the onion

and see so many imposters!


Russel Ray McT Boone Pickens

PhD Madison campus of the
Captial One CC University

M.S. Kentucky-Western U

B.S. Breyer Patch College

 

Dr Latin Juris: Thank you for the list. I doubt that the removal of a phrase indicates anything about the quality of the enterprises, but I appreciate your research. Janko

 

The bottom line is that an accredited school seeks funding from the goverment, where on the other hand, a private school may not want federal funding and remain unaccredited. Both schools may have the same quality education. A degree fron a non-accredited institution is no less valid than from an accredited. It's that simple. Don't make more out of it.

 

Just to clarify. In the last post, I am not talking about DMs. That is another topic.

 

No, it's not "that simple." That's why these discussions occur. The vast majority of degrees awarded by unaccredited schools are really issued by diploma mills. At face value, logic requires that we reject degrees from unaccredited schools unless the school in question has somehow demonstrated that it should be taken seriously. There are few assumptions that way.

If by "valid" you mean "comparable academically," see my point above. No way to tell, so why should anyone be assured of such? If by "valid" you mean "comparably acceptable," guess again. There are many situations where degrees from unaccredited schools are not acceptable. There are no situations where they are, but degrees from accredited schools are not. That, by definition, makes degrees from unaccredited schools--as a class--inferior. A particular degree in a particular area from a particular school might meet a particular person's needs in a particular situation at a particular time, but that doesn't mean we should take that very particular circumstance and extrapolate it to everyone everywhere evertime.

 

Dreadful suggestion.

US have the freedom of Religion.

The Licensed-exempt sacred-religious schools must simply be authorized to instruct M.Div., D.D. ThD and degrees like that.

If the spiritual apprentice want a D.D. in “Ala”, that is o.K. On the other hand, if the holy student desires a M.Div. in U.F.O religious conviction, that is fine

 

and there should be abslolutely nothing stopping the Universal Life Church issuing their absolutely valid and legitimate "doctorates"! (and ordaining pet dogs while they are at it)

 

Freedom of religion does not exempt religion in other areas. You can't commit human sacrifice in the name of your religion, then hide behind the First Amendment. Religions aren't free to issue their own hunting, fishing, or driver's licenses.

If schools want to issue degrees, they should have to meet the same standards, irrespective of religious affiliation (or lack thereof).

 

Well, if the name of the degree is the crisis, may be they can change the name of the degrees to

Ex.

Superior Lord; Chief Idol; Master Pastor; Master Excellency; Sacred Master; Sacred Lord; Lord Divine; Sacrosanct Doctor Lord or Chief UFO.

 

In Texas, a battle that pits consumer protection against the free exercise of religion is gathering momentum. A Texas Supreme Court case and a challenge in the Legislature could give the state's religious groups -- from Southern Baptists to Sikhs -- the power to grant degrees without any state oversight. Today, all schools, from Baylor University in Waco to Dallas Theological Seminary, must meet the state's higher education standards or have state-recognized accreditation to grant degrees and call themselves a college, university or seminary.

An exemption would free religious schools alone to grant degrees without recognized accreditation or, for that matter, any standards whatsoever.

That's the way it should be, say opponents of Texas' 30-year-old higher education law: Buyer beware...

 

I suspect that the "consumers", being the employers and licensing agencies would then resort to using RA (and Doe) lists even more, and all others including UA's would be grouped together as "non- real degrees" with those issued by religious organizations?

Ray Lund

 

Every time you post you weaken your position. Repeat after me, "Less is more, less is more, less is more..."
Jack