WASC Accrediting Commission Meeting Today

Han Look at the TUI's values:

1. (Some) brand name credibility due to TUI's affiliation to TC.
2. 100% PhD faculties - some of them from Cornell, UCLA, Stanford, Harvard.
3. 100% on-line PhD - pioneering.
4. Relatively low-cost tuition.

How could you assume that TUI would destroy its main (first) value???

 

To the best of my knowledge, Touro University International is and always has been a not-for-profit institution. Accordingly, there is no connection to a for-profit provider from what I can see.

Tom

 

Actually I have opinions about a great number of things, not just TUI Stalking?!?! I think you need some perspective, but just my opinion as well.

Anyway, maybe they won't change their name, I actually didn't think that comment would insight such a response, but hey others have their hobbies too

Anyway, when things get personal, I will not jump into it, I am not sure if you were the person banned for the comments before or not, but don't make it about me.

 

How's this for a connection??

ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, FICTITIOUS BUSINESS NAMES

DBA Name: INTERNATIONAL STUDENT ADMISSION CENTER

Business Address: 4141 BALL ROAD APT. NO. 245
CYPRESS, CA 90630
Filing Date: 10/27/1997
Owner(s): YORAM NEUMANN

What's even more interesting is that there's no corporate or DBA listing in California at all for "Touro University International."














ROBERT J. KOESTER
Filing Number: 737591A

 

This is a good point, maybe they won't make a name break, just a thought (and not that the name break would be a bad thing), it could make a DL only name recognition, but TUI is OK as well.

I haven't heard of one school having two different RA accreditation - and being the same university, I think they are unique, and may benefit from a different name, but TU is a good school as well, so I don't think it makes a difference.

 

Western Governors University is the only university to receive regional accreditation from four regional accrediting commissions at the same time. (Regional accreditation is considered the highest type of accreditation.) WGU's accreditation has been approved by the following four commissions:

The Commission on Colleges and Universities of the Northwest Association of Schools and of Colleges and Universities (considered WGU's "home" commission)

The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools

The Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges of the Western Association of Schools and Colleges

The Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities of the Western Association of Schools and Colleges

 

I would agree to disagree. But that is an entirely different topic.

 

Nope Han, don't believe it was me, and nope
it's not all about you. Funny how some seem to
default into that mindset when challenged ...

What's interesting though is the number of TUI
posts by someone who is not, nor has ever been
a student at TUI. Some folks just have more time
to ponder things than others I would guess ...

Best wishes with your program there, and have a
great week. I'm sure TUI's future will be displayed
before us as the weeks move forward. In fact I'm
certain I can count on such to be posted by some.

B-)

Billy ... still hanging with TUI.

 

The University of California is technically one university, with ten campuses and nine separate RA accreditations from WASC. (UC Merced is new.)

In other words, each of the accredited units gets its own visits, has to provide its own documentation and so on.

I assume that the Touro arrangements will be similar to this.

 

Awright, quiddit! It is strictly verboten to obsess about accreditation and any university except CCU! Have you no sense of tradition? Sheesh.

 

OK, now you have me laughing as this has been way to serious. Thank you!!!!!! (and by this, the thread should lead elsewhere in topic)

 

Another WASC action was issuing a stern warning to the four Peralta colleges (one of which my wife teaches at); nothing academic, but for problems with their master plan and their health care plans and specifically for ignoring informal warnings made last fall.

Intriguing bit of this drama is that the chief axe-wielder for WASC, Barbara Beno, was the President of the Peralta Colleges for quite a few years.

 

Decision Made, But Not Even a Hint

I spoke with "Jamie", a WASC employee today. She stated, "A decision was made regarding Touro University's accreditation candicacy at our February meeting. That decision will be made public in approximately two weeks." She told me to call back then and wouldn't even give a hint. I am most curious, but I guess we'll all have to wait.

So, it looks like we'll know soon enough if Touro was able to pull off accreditation in the Western region.

 

"Candidacy"? Not good. The best case scenario would be granting candidacy, not accreditation. This clearly leaves the possibility that TUI won't be accredited at all.

I'm betting on Candidacy, but with changes to their doctoral program--requiring residencies.

I guess we'll see!

 

Good catch, I didn't read it that way, but you are right Rich. Soon we shall know.

 

That's a rather interesting thought. I sort of hope Touro is able to get full accreditation. Perhaps I'm naive about how the regional accreditors operate. I assumed that given the uniqueness of "transferring" accreditation from one region to another, some concessions might be made and Touro would most naturally secure the accreditation. But, we'll see soon enough.

 

I think you are right about this, the published standards are not what TUI will have to do, as they are a special case. This is a unique situation.

 

I think you are right about this, the published standards are not what TUI will have to do, as they are a special case. This is a unique situation.

 

Han:

Could you explain? What published standards won't apply and/or how? I agree that this is a unique situation, but is there some tangible reason why WASC will treat them differently? Is that documented somewhere?

 

That would certainly be nice.

I think that the probablility of Touro University International getting WASC accreditation eventually is very high.

But there's probably a lot more involved than just transferring the accreditation.

The regional accreditors are very big on institutional processes. They don't only want to know if a school is functioning as a university at the moment they visit it, they also want to assure themselves that the school has the policies and procedures in place to keep things up and running when WASC isn't looking.

When universities offer remote-site classes and programs, that administrative stuff is usually handled by the parent campus. I expect that one reason that Middle States told Touro to talk to WASC is because the Touro remote sites were growing larger than their New York parent, were offering so many programs unique to them, and were were becoming de-facto separate university campuses similar to UC Davis or UC Irvine.

So there's probably going to be lots of behind the scenes administrative stuff happening as organizational charts are redrawn, procedures and administrative units are set up, and so on.

And despite the fact that there seems to be some law on Degreeinfo forbidding us from recognizing it, Touro has a major campus-based operation going in Vallejo California. It still isn't clear whether Touro University International and Touro University California will share administrative functions and perhaps accreditation, whether they will be functionally separate, or what. That's gotta be worked out.

So my point is that there's probably lots of justification for giving these things (or this thing, depending) candidacy status while all the changes are put into operation and proved. That's not really a bad thing, it's what we would expect when remote-site programs are spun off into functionally separate university campuses.

When CSU San Bernardino's Palm Desert campus eventually becomes a new CSU, it will probably serve a candidacy too. Maybe a shorter one than Touro's California units because the CSU's are better known to WASC and administratively more robust than Touro, but a candidacy nevertheless as the emergent school's new functions are proved.

So I expect WASC to give TU-I and TU-Ca. candidacy status, not full accreditation. But I might be wrong. There's obviously lobbying going on, arguing that current students, who are earning fully accredited degrees, might be adversely affected if they are awarded degrees from a school in pre-accreditation status. WASC may take pity on them. (But my money's on candidacy.)