University of Maryland University College

"So? The names of the universities still begin with "University of Maryland..." They are organized into a system of universities, thus there is a system which includes several "University of Maryland..." campuses. "

Not true. I suggest you reread the link I sent you. Indeed many schools in the system (Bowie State, Frostburg State) do not have Maryland in their name. there is only one University of Maryland. Calling me a Troll will not change that.

from UMCP Name page:

"Location: College Park is our location. Its use as a name for the institution should be avoided. This colloquial reference is not readily recognized by audiences beyond the Baltimore–Washington metro area."

http://www.inform.umd.edu/CampusInfo/Departments/InstAdv/newsdesk/identityguide/

"To my knowledge there is only one "University of Maryland" campus in College Park. Are you saying that for some reason you wouldn't list the location of the campus if you had a degree from the College Park campus?"

If you mean UMUC, the headquarters is actually adjacent to College Park in Adelphi Maryland. If you mean UMD, then I would have to say it is not necesary to put the words college Park next to "University of Maryland". The mention of the word "Robert H. Smith School of Business" ought to be sufficient as it is customary to put business school in addition.

"I now recognize you as a confirmed troll and will ignore your bait no matter how many old posts you resurrect in your attempts."

I guess if I disagree with you, I am a troll? Sorry you feel that way. I would expect more from someone who has posted as much as you have.

Have a nice day.

 

The IU program is managed by the Indianapolis campus (Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis, or IUPUI), and the residencies take place in Indianapolis. It is associated with Kelley in some way, but I'm not sure that it would be ethical to list the Bloomington campus on a resume or lead people to believe that you have a degree from the Bloomington campus. Can someone shed more light on this?

 

WOW! A new twist! Indeed, I am not sure you can put the word "Bloomington" next to your degree. I guess it makes sense to put the city name next to your degree just to make damn sure there is no confusion after all. Anyway, regardless of IU or IUPUI, the Kelley on line program is recognised as a ranked PT program but you would have to disclose it was received from IUPUI not IU????

 

No. When you resurrect numerous old/dead threads by tacking on essentially the same post, and then proceed to hurl personal attacks when someone responds, then you are a troll.

 

Well, IUPUI is a different campus, including their own Division I teams, their own mascot, etc. I believe that the degrees they grant do say "Indiana University" or "Purdue University," but just as with a degree from any other university it would seem prudent to specify the campus when you list the degree. The online MBA program seems to be a joint operation between Bloomington and Indianapolis, but it's managed in Indianapolis and the residencies take place there. I don't know for sure that the degree isn't awarded by Kelley in Bloomington though; I would interested in finding out. It would be great if someone here has more information about it, but in the meantime I'll send an email to the program administration.

 

Interesting. I'll leave it at that. I am now agreeing with you. I think it makes prudent sense in certain states like California...and now Indiana I guess...to put campus name on the degree if you went to the famous flagship school of a given state. I retreat on that one, despite your nasty comments. Resurrecting threads is not my game, but correcting institutional confusion between UMUC and UMCP is.

If there is any confusion and you go to Maryland...better put College Park to make sure no one thinks you went to UMUC I guess.

 

This is a direct quote from the student handbook:

"The student entering the Kelley Direct Online MBA program within the Graduate School of Business is required to fulfill the degree requirements in effect when the student matriculated. All candidates who complete the degree requirements are conferred the Master of Business Administration degree from the Indiana University Kelley School of Business."

Is the location in any way relevant? After all, there is only one "Kelley School of Business" and, ostensibly, the powers that be don't seem to be overly concerned with the distinction that the MBA was earned "online".

 

Well, to confuse matters even more, there is a "Kelley School of Business - Indianapolis" and a "Kelley School of Business - Bloomington." They even have their own separate web sites at:

http://kelley.iupui.edu/

http://kelley.iu.edu/

IUPUI seems to have a closer relationship with IU and Purdue than do most branch campuses, but it is still a separate institution. The online MBA program is managed by IUPUI faculty, and the IUPUI web site has the information about the program. I'm unsure whether it is taught entirely by IUPUI faculty, or a combination of IUPUI and IU Bloomington faculty. Clear as mud, isn't it?

 

Indeed it is very confusing. What I can say as someone interested in MBA programs is that if you were to state you went to Indiana U - Kelley for your MBA, that would suffice most people I know that you indeed went to the program that is ranked top 30 in Businessweek.com. The reason I say this is that the name "Kelley" is well recognized, and I know of no other state system where the business schools for separate colleges are named the same. For example, UCLA is Anderson and Cal..urp forgive me...UC Berkeley is Haas.

Interesting quandary this and one I too would like to come to understand. I suspect the answer is that you earn a degree not from IU Bloomington or IUPUI, but rather IU conferred in Indianapolis (IU - Indianapolis).

Another point...the word "Kelley" may not appear on the degree anyway regardless of if you go FT at IU Bloomington or online at IU Online, in which case all you are left with is an MBA from IU in Indianapolis.... Hmmm....

 

Okay, I got the following from a FAQ on some Kelley-related site:

"When the program is completed, what is on the diploma?
The degree earned is an MBA from the Kelley School of Business."

I mean, come on, the word "Kelley" is all over the place. Kelley golf shirts, Kelley sweatshirts, Kelley towels, Kelley caps, Kelley this, Kelley that. I can't believe they wouldn't place that name in a prominent place on the diploma, much less not place it **anywhere** on the diploma...........(and, boy, would I ever be p*ssed if I had earned an MBA from that joint and "Kelley" didn't appear anywhere on the diploma).

 

I agree with you. whether or not Kelley appears on the degree, it is a degree from Kelley, no question about it. And as far as I know, Kelley is a top notch MBA program online or real life.

My only question is what is Kelley? I always thought it was exclusively the name of the Business School at IU-Bloomington. Every other school has a unique business school. Purdue-Krannert is a local rival for example. You can get an MBA at a branch purdue campus (ie Calumet) but it is not Krannert. However at IU it appears Kelley in multi institutional. Now it seems it may be the name of the business schools of all schools in the IU system, which makes it a unique animal to some extent.

I wouldn't worry about the degree being bonafide too much,,,it must be. I am just intrigues by the multi campus use of the name "Kelley", but I do not doubt that even if it was IU-I that your classmates are of high quality and the degree of more benefit than, say, UMUC or UBaltimore.

Another point to add fuel to the fire...people in the real world PT program at Kelley are in Indianapolis and use the placement office located in Indianapolis, not Bloomington if you check the website. Don't know if this is a consideration for you...

 

I sent an email asking about this, I'll post back when I get a response. I'm thinking that transcripts are probably maintained by IUPUI, which means that if you send a transcript to an employer then it will probably be clear that the degree is from IUPUI rather than IU Bloomington, at which point I suppose you could explain the relationship between the schools and the fact that they both have branches of Kelley.

I don't know, IUPUI is really a strange university since it's essentially a branch campus of both IU and Purdue. I was at Purdue on and off for 6 years, and I lived in Indianpolis for 6 years after that, and I never really heard a good explanation of how it works. I do remember being told that courses taken at IUPUI are evaluated by Purdue the same as any other transfer credit, which seems to indicate that Purdue considers it a completely separate school. I also know that IUPUI grants a Purdue degree for some majors, and an IU degree for other majors, but it seems clear that these degrees are granted by a branch campus rather than by the main campuses in West Lafayette or Bloomington. It is very strange though that the school of business at IUPUI seems to be almost a branch or sister of the school of business in Bloomington. They do state that, "Indiana University Kelley Direct OnLine Programs are among the first degrees available online from a nationally-ranked business school," so the marketing team is sure trying to capitalize on the Kelley name, in any case. I have a cousin in Kelley at IU Bloomington, and another (his brother) at IUPUI, maybe I'll see if they can shed any light on it.

My impression right now is that leaving the "PUI" off of IUPUI when listing the degree on a resume would be about like leaving the "UC" off of UMUC when listing it. That is, it may not technically be a lie, but it would be misleading and may be perceived as being untruthful if it came to light. I don't know, maybe that's inaccurate though, we'll see what they say. I do know that when I was living in Indianapolis people who got degrees from IUPUI would say, e,g, "I have a Purdue degree from IUPUI." Also, FWIW, USNews ranks IUPUI separately from IU, and when they rank business schools they specifically list "Indiana University--Bloomington (Kelley)."

 

A very good quandary

Gary I think you managed to stumble upon a real questionmark with the whole IU thing. I really believe however, that the "Kelley" branding distinguishes the program. In essence, it clearly is being marketed as the PT program for the nationally ranked FT school. If Indiana does not put "Bloomington" on the degree, they should...especially if the program is mostly professors from bloomington.

Just look at other traditional PT programs. I don't know about UMUC which as we established is a different school, but for example, the Smith School at UMCP does offer a program part time for people working in the District of Columbia (not even in the state of Maryland!), but indeed the degree is still the same...University of Maryland in big letters and conferred in College Park at the bottom just like any UMCP degree. No mention of the word Washington DC...completely indistinguishable from the one issued to FT students at Smith in College Park. In addition, Smith offers some classes at a facility owned by U. Balt., and at another owned by UMB and USMD, but no mention of Baltimore is made on the degree nor do you interact in anyway with that school's administration. In fact this is succinctly spelled out to prospective students on their website www.rhsmith.umd.edu that despite the fact 90% of the classes are taken off site and not at College Park, it is the same degree and all the professors, admin, bookstore, guidance counselors and placement office are in College Park.

From http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/partmba/EvFAQ.htm

"Are there differences between the Full-Time, Evening, and Weekend MBA degrees?

All MBA graduates receive a degree that reads Master of Business Administration from the University of Maryland at College Park. The diploma does not mention the campus or field of concentration. All three programs have the same admission criteria, utilize the same faculty, require 54 credit hours, and implement the cohort system."

More examples: NYU stern, a top private obviously, used to offer classes in Manhattanville on the college campus at Manhattanville College. However, their degree always said the same thing...NYU conferred in NY, NY like the FT students with no mention of Manhattanville town or college. Indeed those students had access to the same placement office in Manhattan.

Wake Forest Babcock has a PT program in Charlotte, but winston Salem is the city that appears in the degree just like degree from the FT program.

William and Mary's PT MBA in Norfolk...same deal. Same degree, just offered PT in a different city. George Washington...the list goes on and on. CMU (Carnegie Mellon) offers the same PT MBA in San Jose CA as Pittsburgh, but the degree is the same.

Even the #1 PT MBA in the nation, Northwestern's Kellogg, offers their PT degree NOT at Evanston, but instead in Downtown Chicago. Again no difference in degree from FT...no mention of the word Chicago just Evanston even if you never take a class there.

Why in the world would IU choose to leave their Kelley degree open to interpretation? Perhaps to see the way Indiana inscribes the degree, you can look to their traditional Kelley part time program at Indianapolis and see if the degree says IU with Bloomington cnferred at the bottom, or IU with Indianapolis or whatever this system does. Maybe this will clarify things regarding the online folks as well since it ostensibly is the same program? I have to say, the iupui.edu email suffixes from the admin bothers me as do the separate placement offices in Indianapolis and Bloomington. (Penn State's World Campus is another interesting case study. They apparently use Smeal faculty in their program but I wonder whether it is a Smeal degree?)

Anyway this debate goes beyond Indiana clearly, but it is good for all PT and online consumers that we uncover what you're really buying for your money at IU. Until you uncovered this issue I though it was very simple. If the name of the business school (Kelley) is on the degree, it is clearly a degree from the main campus. In Indiana's case this may not be true, but it may still be a degree from a top ranked business school based out of a different College than the college for its FT program...an interesting variation indeed since IUPUI is clearly not the flagship IU.

 

Interesting.....and I just noticed this: USNWR's "Best Online Graduate Programs: Business" (regionally and professionally accredited) lists IU as "Indiana University - Bloomington/Indianapolis (Kelley)". No Lie!

www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/elearning/rankings/mba_reg_prof.htm

 

UMass-Lowell diplomas simply say "University of Massachusetts" at the top. Somewhere in the "upon recommendation of the faculty" part it states "University of Massachusetts at Lowell", and at the bottom it says "Given at Lowell" with the date.


Bruce

 

Ha! I don't know what to think about the program at this point; it has me really confused. I did notice that 9 of the 14 listed faculty are tied to the Bloomington campus, but that seems like small consolation if the degree is awarded by, and transcripts are sent from, IUPUI. Hopefully it won't take them long to respond to my inquiry.

 

thanks very much for the response Bruce.

 

FYI, my response from IU is posted in this thread.

 

The correct thing to do is to put MBA, Kelley School of Business, Bloomington/Indianapolis, Indiana. It would not be correct to put only IU-Bloomington since some of the faculty come from IU-I.

I wouldn't worry: to most the Kelley name brand ought to be all you need. (Though this is the first time I have seen the name of a major business school of a flagship state campus (IUB) being included on the classes of a different campus (IUPUI)).

When in doubt, why hide what it really is as it can only lead to embarrassing questions? It is the on line version of an MBA program that is at least partially taught by faculty from a program that is among the top 25 in the nation. You would have to tell the HR person you did your MBA on-line anyway if they ask, so explaining the multiple campus thing is part of that conversation anyway. The fact that some of your classes are taught by IU-I professors does not diminish the accomplishment in my mind. Just be honest with yourself and anyone that reviews your resume. BTW, I bet the PT real time MBA students at IU-I have the same degree.