DETC Doctorate: How Soon?

Yeah, in California UC campuses have their own identities and people refer to them different ways.

Berkeley is usually "Berkeley", or a little more formally "UC Berkeley" or a lot more formally "University of California at Berkeley". That sounds a slightly stuffy and is usually written. Old Blues call it "The University of California" as if there is no other, but that's not a common usage and seems restricted to alums of a certain age. It's kind of anachronistic. I usually only hear Berkeley called "Cal" in the context of sports.

Davis seems to usually be "Davis", as in "He's a student at Davis". UC Santa Cruz isn't "Santa Cruz" though. That's the town. The school is usually "UC Santa Cruz". UC Santa Barbara simply goes by its initials, "UCSB". UC San Francisco is another one that usually goes by its initials, being referred to as "UCSF" or less often "UC Med". That latter more often refers to the Parnassus Heights hospital though, not to the rapidly expanding research units at Mission Bay, near the Giants' bayside ballpark.

It's weird. Each campus has forms of address that sound right and others that don't, and it isn't consistent at all. I still remember getting on an AC Transit bus at Hayward BART and asking the driver "Do you go to Hayward State?" The driver felt it necessary to correct me before answering "You mean Cal State Hayward. Yes I do." But CSU Chico seems to love being "Chico State", even though it technically isn't.

 

You know what else is odd like that, is that some people refer to the college within the university they went to themselves. For instance, people will say they went to Harvard Law, Harvard medical, or Harvard Business, while others say they went to simply, "Harvard University" or simply Harvard. Some people I know that went to UMCP say that they went to the exact college they graduated from rather than U of M.

One other piece of UM lore: Up until the late 1980's (1987 I belive) UMUC and all the other schools were simply listed as the University of Maryland, even though each was disinctly different. I used to have some really old UMUC catalogs from 1980/81, etc, and they just say U of M. Also, up until the late 1990s, if you went to UMUC Europe, all the catalogs said "U of M."

 

Neither ABA nor AMA is an institutional accreditation. RA is an institutional accreditation. ABA and AMA are programmatic (or professional) accreditations.

 

RA DL doctors and research

What would we expect of future DETC doctoral degree holders? I think a starting point would be to find out what is expected of RA DL doctors.

That makes me wonder about some of the things Bill has mentioned. I am really curious as to how many RA DL doctoral degree holders actually attend conferences and/or publish research.

So, my questions to the RA DL doctors .......
How many of you RA DL PhD, DBA, etc degree holders have been published? Have any of you contributed research to your respective fields? Do you attend conferences or make presentations?

 

You said ---> "Everyone I know of says Univ of MD for UMUC. It's easier."

Response--> Then they would be mistaken. By act of Maryland State in 1997, only undergraduates who went to UMCP obtained a degree from the "University of Maryland":

From www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/media/identityguide.pdf :

"The University System of Maryland (the new name established by the 1997 legislation) includes 13 public institutions across the state. Only the institution in Baltimore that houses the professional schools is also authorized to refer to itself as the University of Maryland. This acknowledges the historical link between the Baltimore and College Park institutions. Confusion is minimal because the University of Maryland, Baltimore, primarily offers professional programs—medicine, law, dentistry, nursing, social work and pharmacy. These are not available at the University of Maryland, College Park."

You said ---> "Plus, I don't think its prudent for a UMCP grad to simply say that they went to the "U of MD" when they're diploma blatantly states "University of Maryland - College Park".

Response--> What you think is prudent doesn't matter. Since 1997, only UMCP undergrads graduated from the "University of Maryland"

 

You said---> "I'm "Very Mistaken" huh?"

Response-> You're looking at some pretty old degrees, assuming those are not just made up pictures.

Below is a link to the Businessweek website where a poster just posted a picture of his degree from the Robert H Smith School of Business at the University of Maryland, College Park (Click on attachment in message):

http://forums.businessweek.com/bw-bschools/messages?msg=58009.1

Notice the UMCP MBA degree says only "University of Maryland" in the top line.

Consider yourself schooled, and thanks for playing.

 

You said ---> "Everyone I know of says Univ of MD for UMUC. It's easier."

Response--> Then they would be mistaken. By act of Maryland State in 1997, only undergraduates who went to UMCP obtained a degree from the "University of Maryland":

From www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/media/identityguide.pdf :

"The University System of Maryland (the new name established by the 1997 legislation) includes 13 public institutions across the state. Only the institution in Baltimore that houses the professional schools is also authorized to refer to itself as the University of Maryland. This acknowledges the historical link between the Baltimore and College Park institutions. Confusion is minimal because the University of Maryland, Baltimore, primarily offers professional programs—medicine, law, dentistry, nursing, social work and pharmacy. These are not available at the University of Maryland, College Park."

You said ---> "Plus, I don't think its prudent for a UMCP grad to simply say that they went to the "U of MD" when they're diploma blatantly states "University of Maryland - College Park".

Response--> What you think is prudent doesn't matter. Since 1997, only UMCP undergrads graduated from the "University of Maryland"

 

"Hmmm...many on this forum have stated UMUC was not part of the U of Maryland education system, but rather a seperate entity accredited by the same RA Body--following your link it is listed as one of the eleven U of Maryland schools, interesting."

First of all, there is no University of Maryland System anymore -- it was renamed the University System of Maryland in 1997.

Second, no one said UMUC wasn't a separate University within the public system of Maryland -- just that the University of Maryland (UMCP) and the University of Maryland University College (UMUC) are two totally different Universities the same way the University of Montana and Montana State are two different schools.

 

I disagree. 99% of people who hear "UMass", "UT" or "UMD" understand you are referring to the flagship campuses.

Those few who actually went to college traditionally even likely know the cities: "Amherst", "Austin" and "College Park", but they need not be used to get the point of which college you're referring to.

A resume is different. You should put the city name and full institution name correctly.

 

If you earn an MBA from a UMCP you should list it as follows on your CV:

Master of Business Administration [MBA]
Concentration: Strategy
Robert H. Smith School of Business
University of Maryland
College Park, MD
5/2003

If you earn an MBA from a UMUC, you list it as follows:

Master of Business Administration [MBA]
Concentration: Strategy
Graduate School of Management and Technology
University of Maryland University College
Adelphi, MD
5/2003

 

Here is a WORKING link to a recent picture of a UMCP degree (post 1997):

http://forums.businessweek.com/bw-bschools/messages?msg=58012.1

You may need to register at the forum to get in but it is free. Notice that it says only UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND at the top. Notice the great detail too -- clearly a real picture of a recent UMCP degree.

 

Re: Re: Sup' Doc?

If NCU accepts transfer credit from SCUPS, they must have concluded, after an evaluation, that the programs are similar.

 

Re: RA DL doctors and research

I think your question, while a good one, needs qualification. You see, not all PhDs are expected to publish research. If they are employed in academia, and especially if they are pre-tenure, they are likely to be trying to publish as much as they possibly can. This is one of the traditional ingredients to being granted tenure by a university, "Publish or perish." Beyong tenure, however, it's not clear to me how important this is. Certainly many continue to be prolific. Others clearly slow down. Outside of academia this pattern means nothing. I've been under the impression that in many fields, research is specifically barred from publication due to it's proprietary nature. We can't let those trade secrets out, now can we? So lack of publication means almost nothing in such cases.
Jack

 

As an added thought,
There's the old joke about, (Question) "What are the first words spoken by a person with a newly granted PhD in Philosophy? (Answer), Do you want fries with that?
What's indicated is that there are certain disciplines that have a very difficult time finding employment in their chosen field. Be it Philosophy, History, Sociology, Theology or any of the Humanities where employment outside of academia is scarce, wouldn't it be great to provide a forum, a journal, specifically reserved for non-academic scholars to publush their work? It would be relatively easy to start out as an online journal and then expand into print as the work progressed. Or perhaps I should listen to my wife as she reminds me that I've been awake for 18 hours now and I should probably get some sleep before a post any more notes.
I'm gone.
Jack