Pacific Western University & becoming a commissioned officer

Sorry for my ignorance, but ODA is a deparment of the Oregon State?. The other day a read in forum an owner of a licensed shool but no acredited by agency that it was a very expensive fare.

tahnks again

 

Because what PWU claimed is simply not true.

 

More dificult at least.

I know now what is ODA but I also read this in its own web page:
"ODA approval does not mean that the degrees will be accepted by licensing agencies or employers".

This is the most dificult like in circus. First you make a list and you said that degrees are ilegal, and at the same time you ask for your own recognotition process to be removed and at the final time you said that your own acreditation may be unusefull. I am agree of rejected mill degrees but it seems really contradictory. and if "Hawaii is one of the 50 states of the USA that operates under Article IV, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States of America, which gives and unequivocally establishes that “credit and good faith shall be given at public acts, testimonies and judicial proceedings in any other state.” This is not little again of your civil rights like a nation?.
Excuse so many questions but journalist are always traing to put the finger on the eye. Thanke you for your patient with my bad english.

 

I do not know my friend if is or not. But any case and forgetting PWU, and consider the rest of the school state licensed all over your country there is no many contradictions on the way that the list is made?. Based on your own Constituion it seems that there is something in the limit of the fine line.

 

milotach,

The higher education system in the USA uses a much different system than the rest of the world. In the USA, the publically accepted institutions are accredited with very few exceptions. Unfortunately, many states allow grossly inferior schools and outright degree mills to do business. If you want a degree that will be respected and can't cause you problems in the future then you will want one that is accredited by either DETC or better by one of the regional accreditation organizations. Please read some of the DegreeInfo articles for more detail.

http://www.degreeinfo.com/articles.html

 

Dear Bill thank for your good advise. I think I will try to look for the degree in South America that have a smilar educations system than europe, acredited by government, and they have the Social work on the level I am looking for. The problem is that I can not find and acredited distance learning university in USA that allow me to do the PhD. on social work. Certanlly one of the things that I like of USA is that the government give a lot of freedon to the citizens in many areas, but in education, I am sure that the level of your universities is very hight, this freedon it seems is not used in a proper way. Due to my work, I am traveling most time I can not go to presential classes and in my country we have two very good distance universities full acredited by government, but the I have the same problem is that here social work is only a "Diplomatura" 3 years study, no master no doctorate, and sincerilly I learned more in my 15 years of working for needed people that they can teach me. So I think that with my licenciatura, 5 years studies degree, I can make a Doctorated.

 

And, importantly, you would be able to do it in Spanish (unless, of course, you chose to study in Brazil). My guess is that writing in Spanish would be preferable.




Tom Nixon

 

If you are saying that you have the potential to earn a doctorate, I do not doubt this.

If you are saying that you deserve a doctorate based on your experience, you are wrong.

 

Re: Social Work

Admitedly, I've never lived outside the USA. I have a friend that moved back to Japan. He and his wife were born in Japan but had lived in the USA for many years. When I asked him how he liked it back in Japan, he replied that it was easier to move to a place with greater personal freedom rather than to a place with less personal freedom.

I asked for an example, he hesitated for a few moments and then said that his wife just got back from taking the kids to the doctor. While she was there, the doctor had scolded her for a good five minutes because she hadn't brought the kids in to see him within the first couple of days of getting a cold.

I took from his example to mean that the general attitude was one of personal independence and personal privacy takes a backseat to social pressure in Japan.

 

Milotach re Pacific Western: "The Vice-governor of the State of Hawaii, the Honorable Benjamin J. Cayetano, signed the official Apostil on the 10 of August, 1994."

John re Apostilles:

1. An Apostille is notarized statement, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the document.

2. I have a completely legal Apostille, from the state and federal government, the content of which says that the College of Cardinals has appointed me as Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

3. I am not aware of any school that uses an Apostille as an argument for their quality or acceptance.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Milotach, Pacific Western University (Hawaii) is:

Incorporated in the State of Hawaii. At this moment, they follow the Laws in the State.

Is true that they has recognized and commended by the Hawaii Senate and the Hawaii House of Representatives. (The Legislative Power of the State)

They are an institution of higher education that have degree granting authority, because they has legal authorization to grant its degrees, and it meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education in Hawaii.

Remember, the Federal Government said that affiliation in a regional or national private association is entirely voluntary. “The States assume varying degrees of control over education, but, in general, institutions of higher education are permitted to operate with considerable independence and autonomy”http://www.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg2.html#U.S.

Also the North Central Association, one of the Regional Accreditor, said that to be a LEGAL degree granting institution, the university have to “has legal authorization to grant its degrees, and it meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education wherever it conducts its activities” http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation

In the case of Oregon, remember that Florida attempted a law alike to Oregon's that was challenged and defeated as undemocratic and unconstitutional in a Court of Justice.

The Constitution thing is true, look at this USA Constitution in Spanish
“Se dará entera fe y crédito en cada estado a los actos públicos, documentos y procedimientos judiciales de los otros estados. El Congreso podrá prescribir mediante leyes generales la manera de probar tales actos, documentos y procedimientos así como los efectos que deban surtir.” ARTICULO IV SECCION 1. http://www.lexjuris.com/

My friend, only study in an unaccredited university if the degree will meet your contemporary and upcoming needs.

PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)

 

Legal ain't necessarily legit. How many times does this have to be shown? Demonstrating a school's legal status simply isn't enough. Demonstrating with great vigor doesn't change that.

 

Dear friend I said I CAN MAKE nor I can earn. the question is that this degree does not exist on spain in the proper level. That way I was looking for out side.

 

Re: Social Work

Dear Steve whem I made my opinon about freedon is in the way that you have more tolerance about other ways of thinking, for expample on religious areas, here we are of course, absolutly free on all, but we are under the chatolic tradition and this print on our way of life something against changes. I can see that your state let the people in a very indenpent way, here the Government is more present in diferents areas. On the other side our european way is more free in some social aspects, for expample for us is a big surprise that is a big scandal due to Janete Jackson affaire, or a lot of question like this. Here we can not think about to kill someone in the name of the justicie or to carry guns to school. Here for example you have all the medical caeres free becasue is a constitutional right. I think that we will live very nice if we can learn each others. For me this forum has been a very interested experience, like a professional and human been.

 

Now that is really blowing smoke.

 

My impression is the same with the Army. In addition to the right assignments (field & garrison) an officer *needs* to get a gradute degree in order to get above major. If you do not get the graduate degree you can end up stagnating at the 04 rank. It is just life.

I also agree with the observation by someone that due to when this general came in he probably did not have a degree when he was commissioned. In the Army today they are very strict about accreditation. I was initially enlisted and just to use my degree for promotion points to E-5 I went through heck proving that it was valid because it was from Canada and not listed in some book. Finally made it.

On another note, with so many affordable accredited DL options it is not very understandable why someone would do an unaccredited degree.

North

 

In the Air Force, almost all captains in the promotion zone to major have graduate degrees. It is rare to see someone promoted to major without one. Not lieutenant colonel, major.

Further, many special duty assignments for Air Force captains require master's degrees. When I was selected to teach Air Force ROTC, a master's degree was required for the position. But my Army and Navy peers--almost without exception--didn't have master's degrees. They used to tell us they took ROTC jobs so they could work on their master's degrees at the schools they were serving at. In fact, those services' agreements with the universities required the host schools to provide tuition-free master's programs for those officers. At San Diego State, Army and Navy officers without master's degrees were given "lecturer" rank. We all had assistant professor rank, as did those Army and Navy officers with master's degrees.

 

Commisioned Officers are not required to have a degree. With 20 years in the Navy and 5 years of DoD service I can attest that I've met several. However, I've known more enlisted men with Master's degrees than Officers without any.

 

Actually, they are. These days. There are a few exceptions in the Army and Army Reserve, I believe, but that's about it. (Perhaps that has changed, too?) But it wasn't always that way, making it possible to meet a few. There are very few of these legacies left, if any. The Air Force hasn't commissioned line officers lacking college degrees since the 1960's, IIRC. (It commissioned nurses with associate's degrees up until the late 1970's, but then began requiring the B.S.N.)