RNC Calls January 6, 2021 Legitimate Political Discourse

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The RNC described Jan. 6 as “legitimate political discourse” when censuring Reps. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) and Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) because they are on the January 6 committee.

    “I think it clear to Americans that what happened on Jan. 6 was not ‘legitimate political discourse.’ Storming the Capitol and an attempt to halt the peaceful transition of power is not legitimate political discourse, neither is attacking and injuring over 140 police officers, smashing windows and defiling offices,”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/593344-psaki-white-house-rejects-notion-that-jan-6-was-legitimate-political

    The Republican party is broken. It is more of a personality cult centered around Donald J. Trump than an American political party. I don't know what could be a better demonstration of that fact than this assertion that January 6 was legitimate political discourse by the Republican party.
     
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  2. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    If it's "legitimate", then they can feel free to do it again at another election.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It would be interesting to see what today's GOP would look like had either Rubio or Cruz dropped out in 2016 early enough for the "not Trump" Republicans to coalesce around the other one. It's easy to forget now, but at the time, the majority of Republicans didn't want him, and if there had been only one strong challenger then that person would almost certainly have gotten the nomination instead.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Search "I do not like that man Ted Cruz" on YouTube. Couple of my mostest favoritest pieces of poetry, right there.

    Cruz is delusional; no man with this much anti-charisma can b elected President. He should have let Little Marco unify "not Trump" wing.

    What would have happened then? Most likely Rubio would have lost, and (given COVID and continuing Clinton Derangement Syndrome in the media) one of the more normal Republicans would have had decent chance to unseat President Clinton in 2020. Not ideal, but at least we would not have a major party backing up Fascism.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Anti-charisma works against women too, which is one of the reasons Clinton lost. When even a clear and present asshole like Trump beat her, there's no reason to think a more mainstream candidate like Cruz or Rubio would not have.

    And lest you think I'm just saying that based on my own personal preference, here's what I've said about Rubio: https://stevefoerster.com/marco-rubio-is-a-fool-and-a-hypocrite/
     
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  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Anyone would have been better than Trump. Cruz would be at the top for "almost as bad." I think Rubio would have been okay, despite his anti-immigration rhetoric. The Republican I would root for if getting a 2016 mulligan is Jeb Bush.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Trump is a meme candidate who beat both Cruz and Rubio. I can see Marco edging out a victory with media's CDS and overall anti-woman bias of the electorate, but it is far from a sure thing. True, he lacks Trump's weaknesses, but also his strengths as a populist demagogue. Eg., Trump won by playing into xenophobic fears much more than a mainstream regressive like Rubio would ever dare to. And, oh, in Clinton's case, replace "anti-Charisma" with "decades of vast right-wing conspiracy propaganda".
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Rubio and Bush are interchangeable in this scenario. Both are "okay - for a Republican" in that they were at least prepared and would have avoided many Trump disasters, by actually showing up and doing work. Even thatmantedcruz would have dodged a few of the bullets.

    In a 2016 do-over, my pick is and will always be Hillary Rodham Clinton.
     
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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Oh, oh! Anti-immigrant rhetoric bit.
    Remember that Marco Antonio Rubio is not only the son of Cuban refugees, he is also one of the people ("gang of six") who worked the hardest trying to implement JWB's comprehensive immigration reform. With path to citizenship and everything; it was the last time immigration was tackled on a bipartisan basis. So Rubio's troubling anti-immigrant rhetoric does not coming from him; it is simply what it takes to survive in today's GOPnik party; Liddle Marco is simply too much of a coward to take on it. GOP delenda est; each and every one of them, out of office.
     
  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Yes, I should clarify that I'm a bit left of Bernie Sanders, so HRC would have been my choice on the ballot had I been a citizen but as Republicans go, Bush or Rubio would have been a massive improvement over Trump or Cruz.

    That is sad. I didn't know Rubio was part of the Gang of Eight. That adds a new shade to things.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's right, Gang of Eight. Today, one of the four Republicans in it is dead, another chased out of the party by Trumpers, and the remaining two became cruel parodies to their former selves just to survive politically - and would bully any Republican who would try to do what they have done on that bill. That is what current GOP is like.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't think MR is anti immigrant.
    Maybe anti illegal immigration and for better improved border security?
    He supports Immigration reforms and I thought Pr. Bush had a good plan at the time.
    So is Pr. Biden in spring 2021.

    As to RNC, I understood and I can be wrong, they condemn the Jan 6, attack.
    They support the protest of Jan 6th in DC but not the attacks.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Remember, the truth of the matter is that Trump has already called for massive demonstrations again. He asked for them to be waged against any District Attorney that dares hold him or his company to account for any crimes committed. Specifically he called for massive demonstrations in Atlanta and New York if he or his company is charged with any crimes.
     
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  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think the Republican base has a minority of racists. Some in Democratic base as well but most racists have migrated to the Republican party after the Civil rights act of 1964, like my parents. It's just that other Republican leaders generally keep those folks tapped down like John McCain telling that lady that Barack Obama was not Islamic. Trump has just encouraged and strengthened that part of the party because he's racist himself but more importantly he knew they would fight for him. Remember him telling the Proud Boys to "stand down and stand by!" in the debate with Biden.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Absolutely PRICELESS!

     
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  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I just read through the Fox News website. I could find no mention of the RNC censure against Cheney and Kissinger. Did I just miss the article? Very interesting that Fox News finds this not at all news worthy. Mitch McConnell addresses the issue is not news worthy, according to Fox News. Why is Fox News not backing up Trump on this issue?
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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  18. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I want police that do nothing but investigate the preparation of cold soups!
     
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  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Rubio is not anti-immigrant. His party, however, is, and he's not leader enough to push back against it.
    News flash: YOUR party is anti-immigrant, Lerner. I find it inexplicable.

    I do not know how good Bush plan was, but it was step in right direction, yes. It fixed glaring problems while appeasing border security fetishists.

    You're wrong on a factual basis if you think Rubio, or his GoE buddy Graham, or any vanilla Republican supports anything like this today. Anti-immigrant base yelled "AMNESTY!!!!1111oneone" at them long enough and loud enough to plant their tails firmly between their legs on anything immigration-related. That's even before Trump, goes back to Tea Party and, yes, Ted Cruz back before Obama years. I can prove it to you: Democrats offered Trump money for his stupid wall (which he campaigned on) in exchange for legalizing Dreamers (which he, incidentally, always claimed to support). No deal!

    You're wrong. RNC are the cold-blooded reptiles struggling to say as little as they can, but on balance, the whole GOP as a political force works to lay cover for people trying to subvert the democratic process. A political wing for an anti-democracy insurrection movement.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Thursday the public hearings for the January 6 commission will start. Here's my guess as to how it will likely impact the opinion of the Republican base. Similar to the RNC calling the insurrection "Legitimate Political Discourse". I believe that under the direction of Donald Trump, folks like Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, and the Trump MAGA officer corps (elected Republicans) will up the lies and coverup to try to hide the truth from getting to the MAGA base. I predict that they will be mostly successful. The hearings will convince independents though that Trump was not only complicate but probably instrumental in the insurrection planning and execution.

    What do you think?
     

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