RNC Calls January 6, 2021 Legitimate Political Discourse

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Are We Heading for Newsom vs. DeSantis?
    What is the possibility that California Governor Gavin Newsom could be the man Democrats chose to replace Joe Biden as their nominee for president in 2024. ?
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trying to predict presidential nominees two years in advance is a notorious crap shot.

    Here's what one wise person said about this recently.

    :D
     
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  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its to early for 2024 predictions. Events evolve very fast and 2 years our days is a lot of time.

    Not stopping one from speculating, :)
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It appears that the January 6 hearings are having an impact. Republicans still love Trump in general. However, based on focus group feedback, the problem is that Republicans are concerned about his electability in the general election. This concern is based on him losing in 2020, the bad media coverage of the January 6 insurrection, and his obsession with the 2020 election. Of course, almost 100% say that they will vote for Trump in the general election if he wins the nomination.

    quote:
    In a series of focus groups with 2020 Trump supporters from across the country since the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Sarah Longwell, a moderate Republican strategist who became a vocal supporter of Joe Biden in 2020, for more than a year found about half of participants consistently said they wanted Trump to run again. But that number has fallen off since the hearings began, she said.

    “We’ve had now three focus groups where zero people have wanted him to run again, and a couple other groups where it’s been like two people,” Longwell said. “Totally different.”


    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/20/jan-6-hearings-trump-support-falls-00046662

    Usually in these kind of situations, I would hope the weaker Republican candidate would win the nomination. Trump is an exception to that rule though because I believe he would be extremely dangerous to our democracy and our country. So it is just not worth the chance that he might win the general election.
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, Nixon was a real threat to democracy, but not anywhere near what we're seeing today. Additionally, Nixon was a competent person who had many foreign and domestic accomplishments. I mean, besides lying about the war in Vietnam, colluding with Vietnamese officials, Red-baiting when he was in Congress, and all that.

    Unlike The Former Guy, Nixon was a complex character, a huge mix of virtues and vices.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    "A deeper historical analysis provides guidance.
    Two months before the 1973 televised Senate hearings, President Richard Nixon enjoyed an approval rating over 65%?
    By July on next year the approval ratings fell to 24%.
    But simply blaming Watergate for the free fall my be incorrect.
    As the Senate Committee was airing proceedings, the country was entering into a crushing two-year recession and a double digit inflation rates."

    For the current Jan 6th hearing, all agree that those who broke the law on Jan. 6 held accountable.
    GOP opinions on the hearing itself are that it's highly partisan and biased.
    GOP side is asking "Has there been cross-examination or contrary opinions expressed in the presentations?"
    Is it tainted from the beginning when Pelosi refused to seat comity members selected by Republican leadership?

    Many on the GOP view is that everything is spun in the most negative way possible for Trump and the most helpful way possible for those obsessed with hatred toward him.
    To GOP its obvious the timing chosen shows political bias and that Dems working to change the subject from the hurting economy, stock market crash, raging inflation and gas prices, the housing crisis, crime, and so forth.
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    I think Jan 6 hearings, gun control, and abortion are important issues that on the minds of many Americans and these will have impact on upcoming elections.
    But also economy, crime and other important issues will be on the voters minds .
     
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  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, what was supposed to be the main point of the post was that 1/6 hearings are not really changing Republicans minds about Trump so much as they are concluding from the hearings that it might be much easier for a different Republican nominee besides Trump to win the general election. Your post really had nothing to do with that.

    You were very careful to make it clear that the stated opinions weren't even your opinion. I would be far more interested in your opinion than some random people that got their opinion published in the Deseret News. I guess we can just color me confused?
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I wanted to present another view that is inclusive of all sides.
    I thought the questions asked are valid.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay, since we're sharing random views, here's two more views.

    I like spaghetti and meatballs. I have a friend that likes sweaters.
     
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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    But its not like that.

    Its more like
    January 6th comity, “We’re the heroes of the republic, and we’re gonna stop the monster Trump.”
    How it will affect 2024 GOP presidential candidate is still open.
    The way it appears today is that charges and trial are a possibility and it will affect the GOP nominations.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,
    Who is watching the watchers?
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Politico, which ran the October 2020 headline "X story is Russian disinfo,
    Later - in 2021 there was a drastic shift in tone from Politico - Politico added, "While the leak contains genuine files, it remains possible that fake material has been slipped in."
    material suppressed weeks ahead of the 2020 presidential election, Politico reported in 2021 it had in part confirmed the authenticity of the material.
    GOP state that Liberal and mainstream media outlets immediately cast doubt on the veracity of the emails could even be a Russian disinformation campaign meant to sway the election to President Donald Trump. Among those outlets was Politico.
    It didn't end with the media trying to put down the story. Twitter blocked the New York Post's Twitter account and wouldn't allow sharing of the article, saying it violated its rules on "hacked materials," and Facebook also limited sharing of the piece.

    Many on GOP say If you want to have a real investigation into threats to our democracy how about a deep investigation into the decisions by Big Tech surrounding the 2020 election, in particular the lock-down of the New York Post Twitter account, the clear attempt to turn the issue into Russian disinformation that seems to have stemmed throughout the entirety of the entire Democrat apparatus,
    an investigation into how every social media company came to simultaneously ban Donald Trump?
    GOP say people came open from 3 letter agencies they knew that it wasn’t disinformation.
    Senator Chuck Grassley R-IA, revealed the claim after his office received "a significant number of protected communications from highly credible sources" about the investigation.
    The Republican claimed one of the communications shows "verified and verifiable derogatory information was falsely labeled as disinformation.", although it’s been covered a number of very solid news outlets.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    To answer your question as to why the social media companies banned Donald Trump. Trump was banned because of his dangerous Big Lie that the election was stolen. The danger of the Big Lie became extremely obvious to almost everyone after after the January 6 insurrection. That is when they banned him. Even Kevin McCarthy and McConnel pulled no punches in their condemnation of Trump right after January 6.

    Pelosi didn't refuse to seat the McCarthy picks for the 1/6 committee. She refused to seat only two of McCarthy's picks. McCarthy then pulled all of his picks back and refused to offer any picks.

    Almost all testimony provided during the 1/6 hearings are being provided by Republicans, mostly Republicans that were appointed to their position by Trump. So your assertions about it being a pure Democrat witch hunt point of view without any Republican input is just nonsense.
     
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  18. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Grassley, why did he think he was presiding over the count of electoral votes "because we don't expect [Pence] to be there"? He's never explained that, and given what followed, had Pence actually left (remember he refused to get into the Secret Service vehicle knowing they wouldn't let him back to the Capitol), it makes me wonder if he thought Pence was going to be removed, allowing him to unilaterally stop the count and throw the election to Trump.
     
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  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A very interesting query, I suspect you're guessing the same answer as I am. (This is based on your parenthetical statement. ;))
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My assertions or GOP assertions?

    The collective result of court decisions Trump appointed Judge, show that "the committee was properly authorized and that Congress has the power to investigate for valid legislative purposes."
    Polosi outplayed the minority leader she consulted with McCarthy' and followed the rules to her advantage.
    She picked the two Republicans that voted for the committee.

    Yet the many in GOP think this is not proper, even after losing in the court.
    The points GOP made are:
    Rather than 13 members, as set out in the resolution, the panel ended up with only nine.
    Second, the panel has no "ranking member," as had been called for in the resolution.
    And third, the Republicans on the committee were not ones recommended by the Republican leader, McCarthy.

    Maybe the earlier action to form an independent comity wasn't such a bad initiative after all?
    The bipartisan commission would have included 10 members. House and Senate leaders for the Democratic Party would appoint the commission chair and four other members, while the Republican leaders would appoint the vice chair and four other members. It passed in the House.
    But Senate killed the commission idea after Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., came out against it.
    To bad because bipartisan, good-faith proposal seemed reasonable.
     

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